bva, bva, bva.... bva, bva, bva.... bva, bva, bva...

 

Zimmer uses special setup with Cubase handling MIDI, and recording in Pro Tools. There´s a article in Sound on Sound magazine where him or his colleague mentions about it.

edit:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/studio-sos-hans-zimmer

Quote from the article:
"Hans uses a hybrid system, composing on Cubase but using Pro Tools as a way to monitor the sampler inputs, and also as a means to record them as individual audio files for the final mix, which would be done using a Euphonix Series 5 console."

 

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And so does other aswell Logic i.e i said the first time i loaded it up and created a audio track wow this sounds great
But that was beacuse it had a channelstrip activated by default so when i deactivated it it was exactly like all other Daw:s i tried.

 

The only issue with Ableton Live 'sounding bad' is usually people not understanding how and when to use Warping and the various modes thereof. Turn these off, and it sounds just like any other DAW.

 

So that's quite similar to my workflow... I use Reaper to record in another Reaper. No joke, though, I really do. I've been "Reaperised"

But I really dig old Cubase on Atari for MIDI. I might still acquire one Atari again and work with it and record/mix audio in Reaper.

 

I swear we need more people like you, open to different opinions and that don't stand for their own when proved otherwise.

 

@tapekiller
Thank you my friend. I am not here to pose as a know-it-all old mofo heheh. I will pass whatever knowledge i gathered through the years and surely learn more from the friction with other people. I find there is never an end to what we can learn.
Socrates said (in a quick translation) : "As long as i keep aging, i am always being taught". I have found that being single minded isn't either scientific nor artistic. Imho, real knowledge and freedom of mind comes when we are able to surpass our own "demons" and ego.
Sometimes you get stuck in a way of thinking for God knows how many years, only to find out you are on the wrong path. Thankfully my artistic-audiophile inclination towards the whole aspect of music creation/recording/mixing/mastering never hurt any of my clients, hence i still have some . But it surely created some demons along the way, like "all daws sound different" heheh. At the end of the day i took my own red pill (the 40ch test) and realized where does the rabbit hole go to. I had to be pointed at the fundamental scientific math by someone(s) with a fresh perspective. And thanks again to all you guys for pointing out the obvious which sometimes everybody knows but very few like to acknowledge.
Take care
EDIT: I took the 40ch test even further with 64 ch and added Logic, Pro Tools, Samplitude, Digital Performer, Acid Pro, Vegas and Audition to the tested daws. Once again they all sounded the same.

 

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I have Steinberg Midex+, found it from electronic recycle center´s trash bin. Now I need to find working Atari, already found two C64´s(old and new model) with tape and disk drives (plus media) from the same place

 

Hello Ted,

I started music on C 64 (Cubase) and Fast Tracker, Amiga, etc, blabla. Arround 25 years, I make electronic music
Firstly, You say "audible" : maybe something is audible for me not for you.
It depends if your ears are well trained or not, your stuff (mics, soundcards, samples used, vsti used, plugins used, etc).

In the real life, you NEVER use a daw with something totaly DRY. Is just impossible. There is always somewhere an EQ, comp, or something else.
A good answer has already been given to you. That's depend of wich kind of music.
You think really there is an audible difference in the mix on EDM track played in club or festival on many KW of music ?
Absolutly no !
If you mix some kind of blues, pop or maby classical, or any "calm genre" yes there is an audible difference.

Advices :

Is you use Ableton : http://blog.dubspot.com/optimizing-sound-quality-in-ableton-live/
And in general : https://samplesfrommars.com/blogs/tips-tricks/16975535-how-to-make-ableton-live-sound-better

And again, you think because there is a better mix, that mean a hit ? Absolutly no !
Many commercial shit/hit in EDM are created on FL (Martin Garix, Ricky Romero, etc) and sometimes with old versions of FL.
Max Braiman works on FL 9 ...

Jean-Michel Jarre, the pope of Electronic Music says at 10:22 :

"On my last album, I begin the processus using massivelly ProTools and Analog Synths, and finish it With Ableton Live and NI plugins"

Depending also how much pay the artist to say that :

If you want a real complete answer :

http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/app_audio.htm
http://innerportalstudio.com/sound-quality-live-versus-logic/

I home help a bit.
My 2 cents.

 

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I'd divide the issue into different categories:

• DAWs that do not alter the sound until processing is necessary
• DAWs that alter sound every time a media item is added to the project

Any DAW that does not keep the exact numerical values of uncompressed input with no extra processing should be categorized as 'non-transparent', regardless how that would sound to the user (better or worse).
With very little tweaking, REAPER does preserve bit-accuracy of the original input, making it as transparent as possible.

 

I do not know if there can be significant differences in the DAWs in the sum of channels in the digital age. All DAWs offer exceptional quality.

What difference can there be that one DAW sounds better than another? let's put 10%?

I think it is more important as "producer" to get the most out of it, workflow, fast ideas, that you are comfortable working, knowing what you do with it and get 90%.

There are people who only take advantage of 20% and want to add 10% of that supposed difference in quality. They stay at 30%.

If I make a shit song, that does not transmit anything and I pass it through an "Abbey Road" studio it will still be a shit song.

Will it sound better? it will be better?

 

Say I record the same vocal source with two large diaphragm microphones with almost identical frequency respose at precisely the same distance and are both the same loudness. One is a Gefell and the other a cheap Chinese thing. The highs of the Gefell are sweet and not sibilant while the other is harsh and hurtful. Will they null each other out, and if not, what would be left over after nulling?

 

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Did anyone mentioned the null test in these 8 pages?

Get a small audio segment, load into a daw, place an utility plugin and invert the phase then export the result.

Now with the original file and the inverted one, load them in another daw. Play them in the new daw simultaneously. If there is no audio on master, then the previous daw made a perfect pass-through.

I met experienced engineers swearing problems with certain daws (from aliasing to narrow stage) and when they did the null test on the same material they acknowleged the problem didn't really existed - eyes, ego and preconception affects deeply our hearing perception, happens to the best too.

 

The Beatles recorded on a 4 track recording system. If your songs are good any system can polish them.

 

When will it all end??

This is what I know so far. Reaper and Pro Tools are where I get serious work done. In & out.

If I had to fall back to another DAW, Samplitude & DP for PC, Logic & DP for Mac.

While Studio One has improved greatly, it still has a way to go. Ableton???

Sonar was getting there but needed to focus on core MIDI functioinality. That is where it all began.

Others are just roadside curiousities in my opinion. Just my opinion....

 

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Also. Take into consideration the different music forms such as rock, edm, trap, traditional hiphop, pop. How does the different music forms process bass/high's in comparison within the various daw's.

 

Eh...Idk man. I Know for a fact I can hear a difference at least in the way a vst's Sounds in different DAWs.

 

What DAW do you use? There is no ways with a straight face you can tell me Ableton sounds the same as Pro Tools or Fl Studio Sounds the same as Pro tools. Each Daw has a different Coloration. You should be able to hear it... Neither is Really "Better" But they're Different for sure.

 

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I never thought about this question before, but what I think after reading a lot of replies is the next: anybody of us have tested ALL DAWs in the market? PC and MAC? Maximum we can do is give our opinion about the DAW(s) we work with. I never worked with Pro Tools, so I can´t say about.

My own example. I started from 0 with Samplitude. And I´m really satisfied with it.