Not really. Hip hop is a culture and art movement that included DJing, emceeing, breakdancing and graffiti. Then there's Hip hop music which is the genre for all intents and purposes is the parent to the subgenre Trap. It's not the same thing.

 

Subgenres

• Alternative
• boom bap
• bounce
• British
• Brooklyn drill
• chap hop
• chicano rap
• chopped and screwed
• chopper
• Christian
• cloud rap
• comedy
• conscious
• crunk
• crunkcore
• dirty rap
• drill
• East Coast
• freestyle rap
• gangsta rap
• g-funk
• hardcore
• hipster hop
• horrorcore
• hyphy
• instrumental
• jerkin'
• Jewish
• Latin
• Latin trap
• mafioso rap
• Memphis rap
• Miami bass
• mumble rap
• nerdcore
• phonk
• political
• progressive
• road rap
• snap music
• Southern
• trap
• tread
• turntablism
• UK drill
• underground
• West Coast

 

We are here talking about music, not about other activities. And I don't think any of these having to do anything do with hip-hop in 2020. You can't dj any other type of music? Or rap on other types of music, or breakdance on other types of music (btw, this type of dancing is most of the time done with some kind of funk, not hip-hop), graffiti - again, nothing screams "hip-hop" about them...

Someone may argue that hip-hop (and trap) are subgenres of electronic music.

 

Lo-fi is everywhere. It's super easy to make 2-3 hours Lo-fi beats everyday and that's why youtube is full of it. Study beats, relaxing beats, midnight beats, beats while taking a shit... there's many.... youtube channels with millions of subscriptions.
When people got bored with dubstep, EDM Trap took over. Trap samples can be used to make variety of music.

 

All music is electronic if you think about it!
Hip Hop started with two record decks, and two copies of a 12"!
And rappers would have a live band behind them, playing their versions of instrumental joints that were happening at the time.
Sugar Hill Gang?
There were no drum machines involved.
And then there were! And it was often called Electro when that happened, but was still Hip Hop. Evolving.

 

Trapstep/EDM Trap and Drill are 2 very different types of trap genres that don't cross over as much as you think they do. I mean the trapstep crowd and drill crowd are 2 different crowds that don't support the music on the other side. There are some that will listen to both but few will participate.

Trapstep is mainstage for dubstep with hip-hop elements where the suburbs stare into rainbow kaleidoscopes and standing in line for the shitter to bump lines again.

Drill is having the same problem as gangster rap did in the late 80s and early 90s with rappers dropping off in the middle of videos because of gang violence.

 

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Technically they are electronically produced, but they are not subgenres of electronic music. And yes, Hip Hop is a culture & it allows dancing on other music genres. You can also do graffiti while listening to Slipknot, who cares..

 

is Trip Hop considered subgenre of Hip Hop ? Portishead & Tricky are some of my fav music.

 

Having been a part of that Bristol scene, none us thought it was of Hip Hop per se. And I know the people you have just mentioned.
But hey, we're in a world where other people pigeon hole our music.
So I am prepared to be educated on what the rest of the world thinks about our Bristol scene and what we created.

 

I thought so too, I love old hip hop stuff but never thought of Trip Hop as subgenre of Hip Hop, it is just different and both having own character, weird it has the word "Hop" in the end and always associated with Hip Hop roots.

 

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I had to look it up first, with so many styles nobody can get through. Vileeicht it is true - but it is only an opinion of an editor.

The list of trends, fashions and styles of music that have swept through the British music world over the past few decades is long.
But the most important style that the island has produced since the Beatles and the punks is trip-hop.

Much like punk, the term trip-hop was more of an attitude than a musical program. The consequences, however, were as profound as the changes brought about by the do-it-yourself spirit of the punks. The dynamism of the British music scene is kept going by a feeling of belonging - towards groups such as mods, rockers, skinheads or hippies. This is in contrast to the American pop business, where the style drawers are often shaped by marketing strategies. https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/trip-hop-ist-zurueck-greentea-peng-hat-eine-mission-ld.1637446

 

Judging by Negro's examples I'd say it's just like..
Slow/Darkish Rap + Dub/DanceHall type Sub Bass,
and a certain flair of pretended Hip Bling+Posing appearance.. seasoned with quite basic/meaningless rapping of lyrics,
as if they were mentally deficient/with a flat encephalogram, but in a trendy Hip and supposedly appealing way..


Like look, we know I'm a Retard and I'm Broke..
But I'm still here in the Hood, with my Fake Gold Chains/rings, rental Car and my Niggz, (regardless of ethnicity)
and we're all One, yet I'm the one who's talking now and you better listen because I'm the Best, I'm the Man you Envy,
and what might appear like monosyllabic grunts, is none other than my tongue shooting silver bullets au go-go..
or so my Crack-head Momma told me!!


And then what?
the Videoclip ends, and they swap places,
one of the Supporting dudes takes now the Lead, and starts mumbling his own transcendental monosyllabic hood mantra,
while the others just Pose/give support with cool ghetto hand gestures.. (or call it Ghetto Mudras)

No wonder Trap stars grow like mushrooms nowadays..!
they just drink some Fosters/smoke some base, and take turns mumbling over a backing track,
then the video gets edited and voila.. New Trap stars/galaxies are born on a daily basis, and you know it,
they're gonna be your next aspirational role models..


(This is just the way I see it, based on those examples, I don't have anything against Rap or HipHop tho..
Good Rap can have good musical/production ideas, and even be even Mind Expanding in a philosophical/lyrical way..
some guys can be just that good with just Words )

 

BOOM!
Every dedicated musician I know and have known started playing for this very reason.

Then of course there is the joke about the jazz musician who won the lottery and when asked what they would do with the money, said they would keep gigging until the money ran out.

 

Wow @Zeeks304 You actually disliked a whole paragraph of personal experience and truth!
I didn't diss any genre or anybody; just spoke my experience from when I was within the industry.
Good luck in life, son!

 

That is ability, that cannot be learned. When you have found out what you like, what you burn for, with a little luck, you will be happy, satisfied and successful. If you want to musically communicate your hatred and dissatisfaction with yourself and the world, it is guaranteed to be a rap song. Metal doesn't work because you have to learn to play the guitar, a big mouth is not an art piece and does not require any practice. And taking something away from people is called crime.

 

they are jealous that the negroids mouth is so powerful. old news

 

It doesn't matter if you are black, white, yellow or green, if you come from Mars, if what you say and what you do is sensible and good, everyone here listens to you ...! This rule applies to the earth and the adjacent planets.

 

Well there's actually some truth there..

To be fair I didn't really inspected it closely,
but at first glance I thought the singer on the first example was more Latino than black..
(the lighting is odd, and he could be mixed afterall, who knows..)

But it's true that Black ppl have different kind of voices, and/or they use them differently..

And that makes them Excel at certain styles of music,
from Blues, Jazz and Gospel to R&B, Funk and Rap etc..

They also seem to have a different feel for rhythm, and that helps in the delivery,
and that's more apparent in a professional singer, which will be a more Vocal kind of person to begin with..

Take I donno..
McFerrin, Al Green, James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, Prince, Ottis Redding, Ray Charles, Loui Armstrong.. Stevie Wonder!
Or Dean Bowman from Screaming Headless Torsos..

I'm surely forgetting some major figures, and some on the list might be technically better than other,
but you get the idea.. I don't think there's a White guy who could convincingly sing like those masters..

In women there's some overlap, because some of it is also Cultural (esp. in America),
but for guys Id' say the difference is clear..


-As for the Rap..
I'm not so much into Rap, but I can surely appreciate/enjoy some of it,
there always been a big culture in Spain and France, and they can certainly do Quality stuff..

And I had a couple of Rapper buddies and we had great times together,
I even made a "secret" chord progression for one of them, who is the absolute King of Kings, we did a little collab etc..
(Subscribe to his channel madafakas!)


But as far as American black rappers go, I always considered this track/fragment on a Eminem disc quite exemplary,
it's surely fucking Dark and negative.. but fak, the delivery is just as mad as the level of verbal/mind fuckness it can reach..

Reading the lyric was truly a case of "can't believe that nigga said that shit".. lol
But even with all the darkness/aggression is a great example of his verbal/lyrical capacity.

Ofc it doesn't get much deep/far on a Rhythmic level, and in all fairness Eminem is not exactly an obscure/cult thing..
But even with that it kinda transcends as a good example to me (1:20)..

Ofc this is just a fringe/silly example, there's Rap of all shapes/colors,
but I can surely appreciate this traditional style of rap more, as it goes on a higher level technically and verbally.
(as opposed to the Trap mumblings..)

 

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LOL, is this guy for real? don't you dare dislike this nut and his truth!