Are these instruments Microtuned ?

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  1. dia manu

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    also bujaa knows his stuff the old fart
     
  2. SAMYJAZZ

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    its played by KORG M3 not VST ore JuziSound its a expander with arabic scale
     
  3. BEAT16

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    List of microtonal software plugins
    https://en.xen.wiki/w/List_of_microtonal_software_plugins


     
  4. RobertoCavally

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    Music of the Balkans (also Turkey, Middle east.. etc) is super rich, complex, varies from region to region.. not exactly a thing that can be explained on a couple of pages.

    Fortunately for you, the vibe you are after (the examples) are super simplistic. The first one has a little trick of how the phrases end (hint: avoid the "root" note). Otherwise, you can play everything with natural minor (1st B min, 2nd Eb min, 3rd B min, 4th A min)
    No. Not the ones you marked. Use trills/portamento/pitch bend
    Music.. and sound to some extent. E.g. for the same reason 'Oh Susanna' and 'El Cóndor Pasa' sound different. And you can play both on a German piano. ;)
     
  5. dia manu

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    you guys are already aware everyone is using MTS-ESP?
     
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    Vive la difference between micropitching and microtuning.

     
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    Beat, can we please see the whole spreadsheet attached and where is this "gypsy major scale / arabic scale" screenshot made?
     
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    Hello @Synclavier, here are the Links (German) please use the Translator.
    www.electricbass.ch/tools/fingersaetze/zigeuner-dur-arabische-tonleiter-1580
    www.electricbass.ch/tools/fingersaetze/zigeuner-dur-arabische-tonleiter-1580

    www.electricbass.ch/tools/fingersaetze

    E Gypsy Major scale for guitar. ---> www.guitarscale.org/e-gypsy-major.html
     
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    yes, me included.
     
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    Would you make a Tutorial ?
    And is it Important to use the Microtuning in every Instrument in the Track ?

    For example, i have a Beat Project with some instances of Kontakt .

    Strings
    Duduk
    Synth 1
    Synth 2
    Bass

    Do i need to microtune every single Instrument in the Track, or Just the Sound that i want to make "Arabic" ?
     
  11. Polomo

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    ok this could become a problem

    MTS-ESP works only monophonic in not fully supported VST´s ( Full Support :
    Continua - Phosphor - Quanta
    Aurora FM
    ReDominator
    Clavinet V - DX7 V - Emulator II V - Jun-6 V - Jup-8 V - OB-Xa V - Piano V - Stage 73 V - Vocoder V
    TX16Wx (free)
    OB-Xd
    EQuilibrium - PitchFunk
    Thorn
    Entonal Studio
    Silent Way
    FB-7999 (free) - Fury-800 (free) - Grain Strain (free) - ModulAir (free) - WhispAir (free)
    HY-Poly
    Infinitone DMT
    Pianoteq
    Generate - Pendulate (free)
    Sinmad - Sinnah (free)
    Bidule - chipsynth OPS7
    Plasmonic
    Interstellar Waterphone - Zanza & Kalimba
    Surge (free)
    TAL-BassLine-101 - TAL-J-8 - TAL-MOD - TAL-Sampler - TAL-U-No-LX
    ACE - Bazille - Beatzille (free) - Diva - Hive 2 - Podolski (free) - Repro - Triple Cheese (Free) - Zebra 2 - Zebra CM - Zebralette (free)
    LION
    VirtualCZ
    Serum
    )
    It's possible to microtune Kontakt (autor of the linked articel first line "it is not well-documented" ) without MTS-ESP, but it's a pain in the ass (specially if you use any third party libraries with own turning )
    (https://en.xen.wiki/w/List_of_Microtonal_Software_Plugins)

    Really depends on your music
    In some cases, a hook (for example) can be tuned different from the rest of your song. In other cases, this can sound really mess (ear torture next level :winker:)
    The best advice, try which works for your song best .
     
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  12. Djord Emer

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    Here's an in-depth tutorial to you:




    For real now, about MTS-ESP...there isn't much into it, what's your doubt? I don't think Kontakt fully supports it tho. About the style: you just need to listen more to that type of music, no need to rush, there aren't pre-made solutions, you will need to figure a lot on your own, the resources people posted here are a great start. You need to get familiar to that type of music and have a critical listening, study and practice it. Do you want some artists recommendations?
     
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    Let's say i want to have the Song in the Same Scale all the time, is it correct that all Instruments that Play at the Same time musst have the Same Micro Tuning ?
     
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    Thank you, i appreciate that .
    Some Midis that Sound Like the Songs in my example would be perfect to understand what is Microtuning exactly about .
     
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    Okay, im a Bit confused now, Somebody say yes its all microtuned...you Say for this Type of Vibe is the Pitch Bending, Portamento and thrills enough...

    I dont know what to do now.

    I can make simple Trap, hip hop, oldschool and Sample Beats, But with this Type of Beats i have my Problems because i dont know where to Start...
    Especialy because i dont know that stuff with the Microtuning .
     
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    Firstly, yeah, all the exemples you mentioned had microtuning (minus the last one I guess, where the microtones come mainly from pitchbending)

    Secondly, take Acid Arab a listen, thank me later

    Thirdly, relax man, just start with the resources people posted, just chill, no need to get all worried, just... start from somewhere and keep going.
     
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    I will put it like this - I think it's not "microtuned" to the point it would matter. For the last one even @Djord Emer agrees (that is 25% agreement which is a lot..;). It was because it seemed to me so, but not only. I checked the 2nd (Halal) phrase frequencies - yes, a tad sharp, but in parallel. It can simply be a characteristic of an instrument, like you don't tune piano and strings the same way.

    I'm just saying, you can do all that just like the Jugo guy, rocking the pitch wheel. So the question would be: do you have a hard time coming up with the melodies/phrases ...or do you want to make them sound more authentic by microtuning?

    Also, how familiar are you with the part of the (music) world from the Western Balkan to the Middle East? (Probably being one of the most diverse and complex and impossible to reduce to a scale that sounds like this or that). Because:
    ..is IMHO the best answer until now.
     
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    Yes, you need to microtune everything unless you are playing notes that don't need to be retuned (for example you can have a bass that is playing only C,D, F, G and your other instruments include netral third, sixth, seventh in some kind of Arabic C scale)
     
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    Indian classical music includes pretty interesting bending techniques where they oscillate between different microtones as an ornamentation. It can sound weirder than microtonal stuff even if it is not microtonal by your definition.
     
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