Are these instruments Microtuned ?

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  1. BenniTheBlockbuster

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    I try in the last time again and again to produce beats that should sound Arabic, oriental, Balkan....
    but for some reason it never really works.

    Could someone who knows music theory tell me if these songs have one or more instruments in them which is microtuned ?
    Why else does it sound like that?

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    In my other thread were so many different things written that I have sometime no longer really looked through.
     
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  3. Deceptive

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    You can also sounds like the videos you posted, in standard tuning .... provided you play in the appropriate scale ( LEARN THE SCALES )

     
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    In europe we usually have the "chromatic scale". It sounds pretty straight and hassle free.

    The Arabic scale differs significantly from the Western one. In western music, ie in western Europe, there are 7 “white” and 5 “black” keys on the piano. This octave (C to c) is divided into 12 intervals (semitones). However, the classical music of Arabia can be played with 17, 19 or 24 intervals in the octave. Stringed instruments and the human voice are able to reproduce these tones “between” the intervals of the piano octave well. These “quarter tones” are alien to Western musical perception.

    Arabic Oriental Scales lessons Part 1 (No Quarter Tones) - Ahmad Al-Jawadi


    1.) Types of scale

    Scales may be described according to the number of different pitch classes they contain:

    Scales may also be described by their constituent intervals, such as being hemitonic, cohemitonic, or having imperfections. Many music theorists concur that the constituent intervals of a scale have a large role in the cognitive perception of its sonority, or tonal character.

    "The number of the notes that make up a scale as well as the quality of the intervals between successive notes of the scale help to give the music of a culture area its peculiar sound quality. "The pitch distances or intervals among the notes of a scale tell us more about the sound of the music than does the mere number of tones."

    Scales may also be described by their symmetry, such as being palindromic, chiral, or having rotational symmetry as in Messiaen's modes of limited transposition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)

    2.) List of musical scales and modes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_scales_and_modes
     
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    Thank you very much, but which scales should i use to Sound Like the examples ?

    I think that the examples are having some Western Chords with an non Western Scale as Melody over it .

    I mean the Western Chord Scale must fit with the Melody .

    And how is it possible to make in the Daw ?
     
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    Yes i understand what you mean, but which scales are used in my example ?
     
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    first up, what kind of instrument do you play? keys or strings instrument?
     
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    ... For the last one, the Dr .Dre Video
    technical NONE
    he's just working with the pitch bend
    Nexus had no Microtuning at this time
     
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    Do UVI instruments support micro-tuning?

    When loading UVI instruments into Falcon, you can use the special Micro Tuner script. The Micro Tuner allows alternative
    tunings to the western twelve-tone system and supports Scala/AnaMark tuning files (.scl, .kbm and .tun).

    For more information about scales, visit the website:
    http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala


    Scala Home Page

    Scala is a powerful software tool for experimentation with musical tunings, such as just intonation scales, equal and historical temperaments, microtonal and macrotonal scales, and non-Western scales. It supports scale creation, editing, comparison, analysis, storage, tuning of electronic instruments, and MIDI file generation and tuning conversion. All this is integrated into a single application with a wide variety of mathematical routines and scale creation methods. Scala is ideal for the exploration of tunings and becoming familiar with the concepts involved. In addition, a very large library of scales is freely available for Scala and can be used for analysis or music creation.


    Scala is freeware without warranty and may not be sold, modified, or distributed for sale in combination with
    commercial products. It may only be distributed as one package containing all the files mentioned here and for free.

    https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/
     
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    I would decide spontaneously depending on the beat .
    But i use only vst's .
     
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    try this ... it should help you to the next step... (Arabic / oriental Scale ) in standard tuning .... for oriental vibe J.jpg
     
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    This is exactly what I was looking for .
    Where, so from which site did you get that ?
     
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    check your pm ...
     
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    https://taqs.im/scales/
     
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    Yes, its all microtuned. The best easily accessible resource there is out there for that type of sound is World Music Virtual Instruments - TAQS.IM

    which btw might be an insightful topic for you to research: Taqsim - Wikipedia

    Pitchbending is technically microtuning.
     
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    is it such a bad idea to study at least the fundamentals of music rahter than playing with knobs and shit waiting for a preset and an arpeggiator to do the miracle?
     
  20. Polomo

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    Meh, not really since bending is not really tuning in my eyes
    It's a temporary thing, while tuning is a permanent thing

    Specially when you're a guitar player, it’s a big difference if you bend a note or tune your guitar
     
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    I guess youd feel better with micropitching instead of microtuning them.
     
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