I don't get why people are so obsessed with Apple "high" pricing,
for ex. when I check reasonably comparable laptops with Windows 10, price is same,
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon, HP ZBook 15 Studio G5, Microsoft Surface Laptop...

 

name of the motherboard? I'm just curious about the latency and drivers, but agree with your statement on productivity. Sometimes bad equipment can hinder workflow and productivity though, but I guess always feeling you must have the newest and best will also hider workflow and productivity

 

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great point, there is no need for latest fanciest hardware to make great music, when I look back ages, amazing music was done on very basic computers, which were used as barely advanced tape recorders,
problem with computer-dependant stuff is much shorter lifespan :/

 

You still don't get it, do you?

There is no new Mac Pro. The new iMac Pro however comes with a T2 chip, like all new Apple models, which prevents ANYONE EXCEPT APPLE to replace the SSD.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE SSD.

 

Because they never did actual apples vs apples comparisons, they compare not even similar DIY PC's with anything Apple, that's how flawed all that is.

 

Calm down, than you have no arguments whatsoever comparing iMac Pro with desktop PC, latest Mac Pro which is comparable and still in the stores can do those things, so now if you don't have anything valuable to add, leave it to rest, you are really not having any real arguments here.

 

It comes to a shock to see so many people arguing about such a vague concept, at the end of the day computers are just tools that help us achieve what we want it to do. It's nearly 2019 and there's so much talent to be explored in the world that I could not care less if you ride a Volkswagen or a Tesla as long as you are a good driver. Do not think for a minute that big companies suddenly are going to lose touch with their customers, Microsoft and Apple spend millions in research every year to keep growing on every aspect that is way ahead of what we are even discussing on this threat. I feel for the video guy and his sound card but he cannot justify what he is saying just because he is upset about his 2009 mac book pro.

 

here are my awesome stats:
System
Manufacturer Hewlett-Packard
Model HP EliteBook 8470p
Total amount of system memory 4.00 GB RAM
System type 64-bit operating system
Number of processor cores 2
Storage
Total size of hard disk(s) 233 GB
Disk partition (C 9 GB Free (233 GB Total)
Graphics
Display adapter type Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
Total available graphics memory 1696 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 64 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 1632 MB
Display adapter driver version 10.18.10.3993
Primary monitor resolution 1366x768
DirectX version DirectX 10

It's business refurb and came with 1 year warranty. no probs at all. although for some reason it doesnt like fabfilter gui but seems to be fine with everything else. got latency with asio4all down to 64 samples yesterday for {£20} electric guitar through built in interface, got loads of channels of fx working. didnt expect that! thought i was going to have to use an interface...You can find my links to my music elsewhere on site, all done with this setup.
I remember atari cubase, win 98,vista...so i am grateful for how accessible music making has become...cheap audio stuff is so much better nowadays, one look at ebay will tell you that.
so mac just will never be an option cos there are so many other great toys out there.....

 

these sort of suits making all to shit everywhere...in case of bigger corporations but also at NI

and why :
cause they can !
still ++

indeed
like i said cause they can
audio users dont point at all...the 1%ERS LOL

Mod edit: no need to write bigger.

 

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"It sounded warmer than PCs"

No one ever said that.

DSP is DSP.

Apple moved to Intel (rightly or wrongly) because Mircosoft bought all the AMD graphics chips for XBOX. Apple didn't have much choice.

I find his entire argument stultified. He's not really complaining about Apple at all. Just being a Luddite.

WINE could probably run old software. I was meant to ask in another WINE thread if it could be used to run old PPC or unsupported Snow Leoapard apps. Like CDXtract and hardware that lost its license so it no longer supported (Liquid Mix).

USB-C bugs me but its not an Apple specific problem. Everything will move to USB-C soon. Thunderbolt should do exactly the same as FireWire. Including working when PC is not on. Though I am not 100% sure. I don't think it needs to be a slave to a computer.

 

the ardennes offensive heh heh
mostly video ppl i bet...and the audio ppl

apple white fresh so clean so hipp brainwash sits deep....not heal able for many unfortunate human beeings
EDIT i forgot bout the most important : the group pressure these ppl underlay...my house my boat my imac

 

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But who cares about disk space when hard drives are so cheap and Thunderbolt so fast ?

Although I admit Thunderbolt drives are pretty expensive and hard to come across. USB-C Drives are often just old school drive with retro-fitted ports so you don't get the speed benefit.

The T2 causes some problems but overall it's very secure. But that means you need to be backing up properly. If T2 machine goes down it's practically impossible to get the data back.

 

Wasn't that what I was talking about all along? Why a desktop PC is much better and that there is nothing comparable from Apple? Thanks for finally agreeing that there isn't.

Btw. the fun thing about the Mac Pro aka trash can is, nobody sane would ever buy a trash can Mac Pro if it would be the exact same hardware with the exact same design but "Windows Pro" instead of macOS. Not even at half the price. Probably not even at a quarter of the price. Because it's crap. Even Apple admitted that just recently.

 

Why are you taking a piss on me, really uncalled for...

 

Whatever buddy, this is pointless, have a good one.

 

im sry old x...didnt want to offend you but i did...this wasnt my intend....but thats my opinion
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and to be honest you did proof my point...you did argument with : they all buying it ,they all jumping on it on slutz and kvr.....
whenever my point here is relative...
i apologize again old x...i did p!ss on a global company and what it brought with it not on you..
and im brainwashed too , we all are...so ..

 

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You're absolutely wrong.
Buying a good Asus i7 laptop for 1000 euro vs 2900 euro for a Macbook with same hardware specs.
That's almost tripled the pricing....

 

crazy is this

 

I like macbook pros better than other laptops. I'm used to the OS. I'm willing to pay extra to stick with what I like. Simple as that for me.

Otherwise, they run the same music apps. There's advantages/disadvantages in both camps. Choose a price and system you're comfortable with, and I guarantee you can make good music with it as long as you have the talent to make good music.

 

Most of my systems dual-boot MacOS and Linux. My main tower and laptop started as Dells that I upgraded. For the ultimate control, flexibility, performance, and security - I boot into KDE neon. If I want to trade off these for having some more commercial options, I boot MacOS 10.11.6. I have been using Hackintoshen for about ten years, and the process has gotten only easier and more reliable.

But as for the OP, I disagree. Don't make a PC, make a WORKSTATION.