The guy who created Orion and Dune is named Rich and he programs part time. He has a full time job and this is only his side gig. He's a nice dude, I talk to him all the time on his forums. Bought orion many years ago and support the company whenever I can. Not having update sucks but he created dune in the meantime so there is still develepoment going on. I don't think he is particularly rich but who knows but his name is richard
Anyways I bought sylenth long time ago too and I seriously think you are underestimating how much sylenth users are legit. I'd think its about 10 times that but again who knows.. on kvr a major reason why no 64 bit sylenth is because of hackers and they are delaying it so to speak and will implement additional copy protection mode or what not, it seems they are leaning to what urs heckman is doing to his synths lately with his help which means no crack for it no new urs plugin with his new copy protection has been cracked yet, but we'll see.

Still wondering what's taking so long to crack dune 2, hopefully it gets done sometime soon Check here everyday for months and months and

all the best

 

they must have sold a bunch of copies,,

 

About the urs protection, this is actually just in the works recently, ruben who works at ld created a thread at kvr a few days ago asking which protection method people want and created a poll, even a dongle was included in it but thankfully that idea didn't float too well there and they seem to have dropped it. Sounds like they are leaning with the urs method but still isn't an excuse to take years to implement the 64 bit. Said incentive isn't really there do to crackers or what not for 64 bit But sounds like after 64 bit release they will include new features for update after. We'll see..

 

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=410905&sid=db577403a70a51c039ec2a4f5df2f581
Here's that thread I talked about

 

Thanks for that link tjgoa
I think Synapse protection is at the same level as U-He, maybe even better.
It's some time I'm working hard on dune2 to no avail. Simply patching the serial check result in an unusable Dune2,
with VA osc and some FX muted. The code is disseminated with checksumming. And fishing a 100% working serial is difficult, it will accept it but bomb in the mid-term.
The only 100% working serial for Dune 1 (ONE) I know of was bruteforced
Doing that on Dune2 will be even more hard, 2 more 4character fields in serial, much more checksumming than Dune1.

 

I don't think so. It's not real bruteforcing in this case, more of keygenning.
The keygen calculate the parts that can be calculated rreversing plug-in/activator app code and calculate/combine them until the sum is correct.
It's not matter of having lot of power like usual bruteforce, it needs some time but more important it needs brain for sure, unlike normal bruteforce attacks.

 

Quote from urs heckman on the kvr forum that may be of use, maybe synapse is using the same concept

DavenH wrote:
Urs wrote:
Actually, also, we don't seed the cracks. The cracks are cracks cracked by crackers, they're not fake cracks seeded by us. We just add extra demo limitations that only work if the software detects that it is actually cracked.


Hah. :D

So the piece of code that detects if it's cracked doesn't itself get cracked? I just can't see how you make it work against the omnipotent, omniscient powers a cracker has. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight and opponent gets to delete your knife.

There's two things that makes a cracker omnipotent: Their toolset, or their Savant Syndrome. As I doubt that a skilled infividual with latter would have missed the most embarrassing date check in ACE, I suspect it's former.

We had a very close look at their tools, and we've learned to use them to reverse engineer their cracking methods. We also developed a concept where these don't work. A quick rundown:

- moder disassemblers make any algorithm a piece of cake to crack. So distribute the copy protection across many regions of code, not just one, and make sure that much of those bits are used by the software's feature set (lots of calls in and out provide for a call trace nightmare)

- Crackers use system calls and identified regions as landmarks, and then identify code that is specific to CP. So don't use any system call (and strlen, strcmp, that stuff) just for cp, always wrap system calls (abstraction) and also use them for features within the software

- make as much as possible of CP event driven, so that static binary analysis is useless, make it crackable only at runtime (change toolset from disassembler to debugger)

- Crackers love to trace memory access and set breakpoints. Take that away by storing decrypted serial/keyfile in 100+ objects, and access that stuff randomly for useful thigs such as seeding pseudo random generators

- on an abstract level, move CP from program flow to a data model

- then, create a matrix of possible methods of cracking, possible methods of detecting those and possible triggers for delayed checks. Then fill the matrix with possible "invitations to buy" to make sure every case is covered on at least two positions. As each of those should reuse existing code (e.g. to display a message on the GUI) each trigger, detection and demo limitation should not exceed 10 lines of code. 10 time bombs with up to 30 lines of code should do, and provide for a strong secondary protection layer to meet the omnipotence of crackers specialised in audio software plug-ins (Team Assign typically found 2-3 time bombs, R2R circumvented 4 by surprise, before we did the matrix properly)

There you go. The myths of undefeatable crackers have become rather entertaining. I used to get frustrated when people preached myths of crackers, but nowadays I'm happy to let them have their believes.

- Urs

(also, any developer looking for more specifics, we still run that secret developer forum, but you need to have commercial products on the market to get access. Most information is there.)


To read the rest try here
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=400768&p=5639387#p5639387

 

ohh Urs stop it ...you are a killer

 

Did you read the last part, he's making the techniques available for any devs who ask, let's hope it doesn't catch on

 

Looks like this probably won't get released I'll just buy it

 

It's not out because the protection isn't easy to reverse and he deserves to make some money. There are a million other synths that you can use in the meantime though.

 

What's this about needing two copies to crack it? Water marking? Might be nice to get the people with Dune 2 to contribute if they are nice enough to share. Sounds like copylefter has a legit copy is that right? If so anyone else? If I get it soon I'll let you guys know.

@Catalyst Of course there are many more synths to use but not all as special imo *no* Out of all the other synths none has compelled me enough to make threads for them

 

Yeah it's because of the watermarks. There are tons of synths out that are as good if not better than Dune. Omnisphere/Trillian spring to mind instantly.

 

Nope. A kind member here supplied me with the retail installer to try and crack it.
I gave up on trying to patch it, studying on keygenning now, luckily a friend gave me Dune1 KG sourcecode,
so at least I have a starting point

Sincerely I don't know yet if it's watermarked, and there's no need to discover if it is for now, if I'll be able to keygen it it will be in months,
never did keygens before and I have yet to study a lot on the matter. Since then, no need to cross compare 2 copies to strip
an eventual WM, that's the last of our problems and easy to solve (usually).

 

Getting Dune 2 Tomorrow *yes*

 

Got it

 

congrats..

 

This synth is really stunning It gells with me really well *yes* Moreso than spire and sylenth so to me its the number one synth out there Of course if I grab some banks, there are two I'm looking at, I would be glad to share. One is a new goa bank and the other is the 50 dollar one with over 200 presets. Not sure if I'm going to grab the last one though. If you are a fan of goa I'm making some really nice ones myself that I'd be glad to share once they pile up.

 

Nice to see people bought some copies. The devs need our support. *yes*