Hey guys, currently i have i5 2500k running @ 4600. after serveral years of doing his job, i think its time for some new hardware. Cubase is getting slow, and also with gaming sometime it will even hang for some seconds.

I have been always a intel fan boy, but it seems things are changing these days. As written above im looking for a new CPU for Daw/gaming. i was looking at the i7 9700K or the ryzen 3700X/3800X. In most benchmarks for gaming they tent to go for the intel , but amd is cheaper. My budget for a new settup would be around 900/1000eu

What are your toughts?

 

INTEL ! I TESTED THE LAST 15 years . in audio pro .and high end gaming . for gaming only amd is good. but for professional audio
produktion INTEL ONLY. more eficient.more stability and low latency.the most important is the chipset.
INTEL Z... ORE X.. CHIPSET FOR PRO USER.
AMD IS SHITY FOR AUDIO. SORRY AMD USER.
BUY A INTEL MASCHIN AND YOUHAFE MOR FUN.
MARKETING .
http://audiokern.de/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5c66kejL5gIVhOF3Ch1KYAIhEAAYAiAAEgIkA_D_BwE

 

ryzen 7 is sheer power. latency depends on the audio driver

 

Phenom II X6 1075 ran without issues for years.
3900X now running smoothly.
AMD all the way.
Any issues I've encountered were bad drivers, bad drivers aaand shitty freeware (there's good freeware but there's also shitty freeware)

 

ryzen 7. Intel is no competition for AMD at the moment in terms of performance per dollar. In gaming and workstation applications. If you look at benchmarks you will notice fast that in terms of raw power the 9900k competes more with an 3800x than with an 3900x.

 

do you guys know any good audio motherboard that fits with this processor https://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/33023265245.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.603e2e0eOHaNfp ?

 

AMD Ryzen 3900x - it takes everything you throw at it without a blink of an eye. Highly recommend this one. Great for audio (I use a lot of Acustica heavy plugins), 3d rendering (threads) and games

 

I'm an Intel fanboy but AMD just became so much better (also in value for the money) in the last year(s)
that I clearly recommend AMD if your budget is at about 1000.

 

http://www.scanproaudio.info/tag/dawbench/

In Short words

Intel if you want to spend money
AMD if you want a low cost high performance PC

(By the way I normally like Intel better but in the last years they just become crazy with overpriced products (particular 2000€+ CPUs in mainstream))

 

With your budget I would go with this setup


AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, Prozessor € 364,-*
ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING, Mainboard € 129,90*
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 Ti OC 4G, Grafikkarte € 154,90*
Patriot Burst 960 GB, Solid State Drive € 88,90*
Thermaltake View 37, Tower-Gehäuse € 99,90* (maybe a smaller one but 7 bays for drives is a cool thing if you want to upgrade with HDDs or SSDs )
G.Skill DIMM 16GB DDR4-3200 Kit, Arbeitsspeicher € 68,90* € 68,90*
Thermaltake TR2 S 500W, PC-Netzteil € 46,99*

and a 5-15 € Windows 10 Pro Key from Ebay


€ 953,49***+ (5€-15€ Key )

 

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The 3700X is the better choice for sure. Lower power draw while giving same or better performance compared to the 9700K. Actually bested the 9900K when averaged out. 7nm vs 14nm, PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 3.0.

Keep in mind that the recognized core limit for Cubase is currently 16 (8C/16T).

Example system upgrade parts - pcpartpicker.com:
Ryzen 7 3700X
Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard
G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" SSD
MSI GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB ARMOR OC Video Card
Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

995eu Belgium, 914 Deutschland

 

quadcore64 on your build a case is missing

 

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-07/amd-b450-mainboard-test-asus-gigabyte-msi/

 

i already have a gtx1080, relative new case and have a 650W powersupply which i can use! Personaly and from what i have heard i should take a x570 board if i go with AMD, which seems like the best. I think the 3900X is a bit to much

 

at first, the problems you describe are most likely not related to your cpu performance, but rather overall "age" of your entire PC, making a decision to start new anyway is probably wise but depending on how much you hurry, you might wanna wait a little bit for what happens next - BUT Intel won't likely introduce any truly new cpus until 2022 when they switch to 7nm tech (!), right now cpu market is a big mess to be honest,
I'm afraid difference among cpus (in terms of cost efficiency) is so minimal (because with AMD you get better value, but Intel still is a bit better when you need performance, which for audio makes a big difference), you should probably lean your decision according to motherboard choice (features, cost), Ryzen is not really better for audio production unless the software you use can make use of additional threads - you need to decide that yourself...

quickly checking local stores,
6 core battle: i5-9600K costs same like Ryzen 3600X - Intel boosts up to 4.6GHz by default and can be easily overclocked further, while AMD struggles to reach advertised 4.4GHz boost, on the other hand AMD has 12 threads while Intel only 6
8 core battle: i7-9700K costs same like Ryzen 3800X - Intel boosts up to 4.9GHz by default and can probably squeeze little higher manually, while AMD again struggles to reach advertised 4.5GHz boost, on the other hand AMD has 16 threads while Intel only 8,
10-12 core battle: i9-9820X (and i9-9900X) cost now (after cuts Intel was forced to do after AMD spree) a little more than Ryzen 3900X - Intel clearly looses to AMD here offering 2 less cores and 4 less threads, on the other hand it supports quad-channel RAM and overall more professional chipset, so remains a valid choice for high-end audio workstation

there is probably more than one reason why Apple picked Intel instead AMD for new Mac Pro, so although I can't tell if it does make something better, it's a point to note as well

 

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First Cpubench is a synthetic bench so it's not 100% in real use

but

i9-9820X
21046
TDP: 165 W
10 Core
Clockspeed: 3.3 GHz (weekpoint of this treasure)
$693.75 USD

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-9820X+@+3.30GHz&id=3369
vs

Ryzen 9 3900X
31930
TDP: 105 W
Cores: 12
Clockspeed: 3.8 GHz
$493.84 USD

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+3900X&id=3493

vs

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10980XE+@+3.00GHz&id=3630

Intel Core i9-10980XE
32521
TDP: 165 W
Cores: 18
Clockspeed: 3.0 GHz
$979.00 USD


I think Apple don't picket Intel for the new Mac
they still got a contract till 2021+ When Apple will bring ARM Mac Pros we will see

But I love this time
It's War on the CPU market, and we as costumers will have a good time

I see 64 core CPUs going mainstream in 2-3 Years when this evolution will go one.
(AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X got 32 Cores today for 2000$)

 

Which are what exactly ?
Only one real reason my friend, an already existing corporate deal and -as mentioned- binding contract. But really not very smart from Apple, choosing a cpu with almost 200 known exploits. And not very pro either.
No matter how good you try to over-engineer Intel's dead HEDT platform with 48 pcie3 lanes and 18cores, they will have a hard time selling those comps starting at 6k (up to a whopping 60k), especially when a basic component such as the main system ssd is non user upgradeable but has to go to Apple service. MacPro 2020 is a DOA platform imho. For what it's worth that's a nicely engineered mid tower. Just don't ask for the wheels accessory because it goes for 400$
As for Intel's mainstream, i have a 9700k right here. And i recently built a 3700X for a customer. Ran many tests with Cubase, Samplitude, AbletonLive, Cakewalk, StudioOne, Reaper, AcidProNext, Wavelab, PT with Kontakt, Omnisphere, Serum, Diva, FabFilter,Waves. All i can say is the 9700k is great for gaming and errr... Photoshop lol. In stock settings and the vast majority of my tests it lags behind the 3700x. Suffice to say the 3800x would beat it by a larger margin. I 'd take multi-threading anytime over a better turbo boost of one core, this is not 2006, most DAWs scale nicely at least up to 16 cores.

Then prepare for the future in a few months . (If my info is correct) TR3 64core/288mb cache will be arriving sometime at the Easter holiday 2020.
Cheers

 

hmm for me personally, I don't like the way mainstream AM4 (As well as previous) AMD cpu socket is done - it's a piece of plastic with holes, pins on cpu, it feels clunky every time I build some rig with it...
on the other hand workstation tier TR4 and fresh new TR4X finally feels sturdy and IF AMD provided fanless chipset design and some lower-end cpus, I might actually go AMD later too,

right now I'm on workstation tier X99 chipset i7-5820K OCed a 4.3GHz and it doesn't hiccup yet, so I don't feel any need to go for anything else just yet

for price/performance ratio, it's still much cheaper buy few used "office tier" computers with i7-4770 or newer (they cost around 100$ max usually), and make them huge Vienna Ensemble Pro server cluster imo


Mac Pro 2019 is basically a "buy-boot-never-turn-off" device which shall generate money on heavy graphic workloads in motion picture industry, it was never meant for audio workstations, only AVID is desperately trying to justify their incapability to provide TB3-based HDX (or even better, 3rd party audio interface support with more than 32 inputs) and messed the showcase by showing off 6 HDX cards in Mac Pro 2019...

 

I'm sorry if this is a bit off topic.. but atm don't want to open a new thread

Now I really have to build a new comp. I was about to do it last year, but then got myself a Babyface Pro and forgot what latency is..;) (for those chasing low numbers in that field). The Baby got me one year+ with an i7-something under my desk. And I guess, by that saved me a lot of money.. because I was going for an 8700K-9700K. Now everything is upside-down.. It's the first time, Im seriously considering an AMD setup. My question is simple. Around a ~500$/€ CPU:

1/3 Vray rendering, 1/3 AfterEff/Premiere, 1/3 DAW-ing (NO gaming)
500-700€ graphics (still geforce prob), fast pcie system 250-500 GB disk and a some SSDs

What would be your CPU+Motherboard+RAM combo advice? (real world example, pls..;)

My main problem atm is mainly my 8y+ old motherboard. I have nowhere to stick anything from this era, lol..

And @taskforce, as I quoted you.. in your opinion, would it be wise to wait a couple of months (that wouldn't be a big problem)

Thanks for any hints

 

Hey, you shouldn't think of it as a problem, if i was you i'd be happy your system took you so far . Means it was carefully thought out. And yeah the BabyPro sure is a solid buy, one of the best.

I take it that we 're talking mainstream desktop here not HEDT. I 'll start from the end to top. Waiting will give you nothing, unless Intel pull a 16 core at ~3.5ghz rabbit out of their magic hat for ~750$, which ain't happening anytime soon. TR3 64 core when (and if) it comes it will cost ~5k$ if i can judge by its server sibling which goes for ~6k. So for our softies now:
Vray likes as many cores as possible, so Ryzen 3000 trample everything, they only lose to cpus with more cores.
After Effects prefers frequency above all so the 9900k beats all here, even the i9 18core, but the Ryzen 9s are very close.
Premiere likes multi core count so its the same as Vray, Ryzen 3xxx all the way.
DAW work, some would say choice is tricky but it's not, Ryzen 3000 series win on core count, performance/cost and storage speed since Ryzen 3 series is PCIe gen4 and pcie4 nvme ssds are already on sale reaching 5gb/sec. On top of that Intel's mainstream platform is a dead end, no upgrade path there and no pci4 either, whereas with AMD you can get a 3700X 8core which is powerful enough and still be able to upgrade to 12 or 16 cores later if needed, and with pcie4 you 're covered for when Pcie4 GPUs will arrive, that 'll be probably around next summer.
So for the system build i 'll propose two systems because i didn't understand exactly what budget are we talking about, you only said "cpu for 500. Note that i made my proposal so you can mix and match the components in both systems Those systems would be fine for @tarreltje too, especially the first one.
Mid tier: Ryzen 7 3700X 8c/16t @3.6 ghz - 320$ (stock cooler), AsRock x570 TaiChi+TB3 exp.card - 360$, G.Skill Aegis 32gb (2x16gb) @3200mhz - 110$ = Total of 790$
High tier : Ryzen 9 3900X 12c/24t @ 3.8mhz - 520$ + Noctua NH-D15S - 80$, AsRock X570 Creator (10GbE+Dual Thunderbolt3) - 500$, G.Skill RipjawsV 64gb (4x16) @ 3600mhz - 260$ = Total of 1360$.
Keep in mind that both AsRock boards can take the new 32gb ram sticks for a total of 128gb ram, 4x32gb/3200mhz sticks cost about 520$.
Whatever system you choose i suggest a Sabrent pcie4 SSD with its cooling accessory, best pcie4 SSD for the money atm - 500gb/110$. https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-500gb/p/0D9-001Y-00026 I had my buddy in US send me one of these and it reaches 5gb/sec easily. Comes with 5 yrs warranty.
GPU: The MSI RTX 2070 Super for 510$ . Or the Gigabyte RTX 2080 Super for 720$.
Secondary PCIe SSD Intel 660p 2tb for 205$ or Intel 665p 1tb for 105$, both with 5 yrs warranty.
Merry Xmas !

 

Last edited: Dec 25, 2019