This.

 

AI is the new smoking/sugar/leaded gas/socmedia/asbestos/climate change.

Decades of advance warning - and it'll take even more decades for the majority of people to concede that it is universally bad for all of us.

Us humans are constantly betrayed by our limited capacity for rational thought. This'll be the next big one.

"Doesn't bother me, hasn't affected me."
"I'm ahead of the curve, I'm making bank with this."
"Really, it's mostly fear mongering."
"There's no consensus in the scientific community."
"Look, nobody would be so dumb as to not have safeguards in place."
"If it were so bad, there'd be laws against it."
"Well, maybe they should just work harder then."

 

I mean is a mass produced sculpture of a cherub that you could find in a garden store art? It isn't really imo when its been stamped out by a machine but have a human make it from scratch and it is.

 

Exploitation, alienation, commodification, reification, dehumanization, simulacra, simulation and hyperreal: welcome to the desert of hypercapitalism.

 

its called technocracy which involves transhumanism

 

As in many other cases, like the industrial revolution for example, I don't think 'capitalism' is to blame. Communist countries are heavily into technology, infrastructure, growth, expansion etc.

 

Its funny to me that people in the music industry act surprised, like this hasn’t been around for over 2 years or that GPT can come up with visuals and lyrics. The people that have a deep understanding of AI have been saying on this forum for years that these tools can push your music and brand forward in powerful ways. GPT isn’t a search engine - it can help with social rollouts, album art, mixing tips, and more. Suno isn’t “generic music” - it can break writer’s block, give you gospel choir vocals, a sax solo, or the exact guitar tone from a certain era.

Those of us who are pro-AI have been years deep in these tools, showing how they can help if you actually take the time to understand them. You don’t have to use any of it, but dismissing it without exploring the creative possibilities is just ignoring what has been right in front of you for a long time.

 

You are talking about ethical use of AI by musicians to assist them in creating art. The problem is that isn't where it ends.

It's easy to say just ignore the unethical use, and that it will not matter. It already spits out tracks as fast as a machine can bend a paperclip.

In an industry forever full of thieves and gypsies, it's impossible to be optimistic.

This guy says we're already f*cked.

 

We AI opponents have spent years intensively studying these tools and have shown how negative they can be if you take the time to understand them. You don't have to use them; you should use, nurture, and discover your own God-given creativity. We've managed without AI for several decades. Learn something, read a textbook, turn off your PC for a day...! Go back to the analog world... talk to people who make music themselves. Attend a live concert without a smart phone....

 

If you watch that interview where Suno CEO says "music is hard", it got me into thinking how people who can press keys but cant really go deep... see this "sport" and what pain points are there for not being able to participate in it. They see it like the sport and now developing the gear for solving it...

I mean, i think it is confusion rather than "evolution", we actually are not moving foward atm. And now "every" person is waiting in quick sand for the next thing that will pop up while that next thing is already making them sink.

Now that already annoying clicking with a mouse while switching presets ends up multiplied into more clicking instead of focusing on the sound and potential composition development and so on.
Clicking until something semi good appear, how interesting.. "mom, i clicked for 10 minutes, came and hear it play itself".

The way i solved within myself was, i´ll get the records from music producers directly, i´ll stop being participater in the wrong stuff, otherwise they might get owerflown with audio files playing from every speaker on the planet...self generated into oblivion.

I´ll get the cd, vinly and a cassette, no problem. Just stay in studio and make it original, thx.

 

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Papa, how many times do I have to tell you : mommy's queefs aren't songs !!

 

I'd say "Most of it today" isn't trash, there's just more of it and the poorer quality trash is easier to access.

In the past there was an intentional filter placed on access to poor quality music. That was curated by large record companies, TV, radio and print, so poor quality was mostly weeded out. Today, everybody has access to the same primary marketing tools, as they are now web-based and aren't so reliant on traditional formats. It's become very easy to stumble across and find rubbish now. Not only that, there are now thousands of sub-genres and specialised labels that are more willing to supply mediocre quality due to the niche markets involved. And that's not to forget the millions of talentless individuals attempting to market (seek attention for) themselves...

It is my opinion however that there's actually MORE amazing music around today than there ever was, in genres right across the board. There's a higher level of musicianship and there's also better production now, even compared to five years ago (I've been on a huge music-collecting mission recently and the improved quality is very evident in everything I'm hearing). Many people have become highly dependent on what is fed to them and lazily shun the tedium of research, particularly as they grow older and just accept whatever appears in front of their eyes as the norm; the vast majority wouldn't even have the patience to thumb their way through stacks of vinyl in an old style record shop these days - it's what accounts for the "music isn't what it used to be back in the day" cliche. The fact is that it's people that aren't what they used to be back in the day, they want everything given to them on a plate and have lost touch with their essential hunter gatherer skills.

 

artists write songs because they NEED to express them selfs in a specific way.. with a control personal environment.. a.i. cannot make you express your internal self the way you do it alone with your fingers.. and A.i. cannot write the words you have inside your own mind.. against something.. A.i. will be for guys that have no idea what an artist is. for those people A.i. is great because they make 1 click and that is all.. but humans have personal feelings and problems.. and those artists write personal music. and that is not 1 click..or random A.i. ideas.. Artists like specific process. there is no learning curve in A.i. musicians and humans like the learning curve.. and hard work.. A.i.. it is just a imitation of what a real human or artist does.. Artists will exist forever. even after 500 years. and artists will express and chose their own way, not the way of the TOP 10 crap goes..Art it is internal psychological process.

 

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I can't cast a vote because there is not an option I agree with.

My position is:

I love that AI music will wipe the middling lazy people from the music biz, allowing the hard working creatives to prosper as they will be the only ones able to compete, when AI music keeps regurgitating the same 500 pop songs over and over and over and over.

So if an AI can replace you or your art, maybe you should delve deeper and work harder at being your original creative self.

 

Well, I could complain and there are of course interesting aspects to this whole AI phenomenon (especially regarding the future), but let's be honest for a moment: this AI-generated "general radio song" is better than 80% of today's popular, "sweat-out by a thousand authors" pop crap.

 

Thanks @Haze for your insights and perspectives; I learned something from you.

In the beginning, the amount of data humans produced was so large that they invented and needed electronic data processing to catalog the accumulated knowledge. Now we're using AI so that we can actually find anything. Almost everyone with electricity and internet access can upload their contribution, whether as an image, TikTok video, or YouTube and other platforms, be it a joke, music, or even stolen art from others. Everyone can participate and find themselves or come out.

We should meditate or think about where these huge amounts of data are leading and how we can find what we are looking for. AI will perhaps be able to do that later. I think that the whole digital world is like nature on this planet, endless creativity but a finite life. So the internet, even after death, records ideas, good and bad thoughts and of course music for eternity as a digital memory or legacy, unless the server crashes....!

 

its like live scope
is it fishing - NO
does it meant u dont need to be a good angler who knows his shit - NO

 

on copyright-law side of things.... well well well

would love to hear a deep hitting chord progression on a juno pad made by AI .
any examples ?

but hey ,MVSEP is the shit ,mate

 

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I have over 20+ years in a successful career. Ive used all the tools over the years. Starting with a tascam 4 track, Akai MPC, cool edit pro, acid music, logic pro, ableton....... The progression through all those years and how technology has helped me. AI tools are just part of that evolution.

But you can go to all the other times that you have commented on my posts im becoming a broken record to you at this point.

Use whatever tool you want to get your idea out. Who give a fuck what another person uses?

 

You can do all of these steps with AI. TBH its kinda more of a pain in the ass to use these AI tools today. Geneating 20 things to get the right sax part youre looking for, stem separating it, mixing it back into your daw. etc etc.

Entropy always wins today the entropy villan is AI.

As for what the CEO said. He is right that there is a current struggle from idea to complete song. I think we can all agree. Im sure we all lurk this forum and sister site for tips and tricks, plugins, and tools to help us ease those pain points while we are getting to our final idea.