AI, the future of justice?

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  1. amanamission

    amanamission Ultrasonic

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    This is a dangerous idea and should be opposed to the last human breath.
    What you are asking for is not merely technocracy, but to be governed by a machine.
    Who programs the machine? That's who's judging you.
    The "Justice" system isn't just unfair because humans are biased and make mistakes. The whole premise of this system is unfair.
    What is a "crime"? A state actor, operating according to their guidelines, can shoot a crowd of "terrorists" and face only accolades. The same action, performed by a private citizen, can get you put away for life.
    A "crime" is when a private citizen acts in defiance of the government. It has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with having the sanction of the state when you rob, kidnap, and murder.
    There are people doing life sentences in a country they aren't even from, because they had a few ounces of herb at the wrong border checkpoint. Meanwhile, politicians who got millions of people killed retire to painting and offer Masterclass on how to be just like them.
    If the AI learns about "Justice" from all our examples of it, it will impose an inflexible, draconian reign that will cause more heartbreak than all the world wars combined.
     
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  2. Sinus Well

    Sinus Well Audiosexual

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    Ok, I see your point.
    But your first two paragraphs are hypothetical. We, neither I nor you, know what the future will look like. It could just as well be that in 50 years we will be trying to catch 10-eyed mutant frogs with blowpipes for a nutritious breakfast and making a fire with some wood and twigs so we don't freeze our butts off at night.
    And at least for the time being, these autonomous robots are not yet reliably able to open a door on their own... autonomously. While it's impressive that robots have evolved from the first halfway stable walking attempts to passably dancing TikTok influencers in just 30 years, I somehow doubt that they will replace service technicians in 50 years. Even my 2-year-old cat can open doors...

    As for the rest: There is a huge difference between developing a program to disrupt and upset a highly complex infrastructure that tends to be susceptible to disruption, and developing a program to keep a highly complex infrastructure that tends to be susceptible to disruption running.

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    Again, we're talking about the kind of infrastructure where excellently trained people with master's degrees do nothing all day but monitor multiple parameters on a screen and press a button every few minutes to make sure they're physically and mentally present.
     
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  3. Dimentagon

    Dimentagon Rock Star

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    Justice? Never heard of them ...if they use AI I'm not interested
     
  4. twoheart

    twoheart Audiosexual

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    Of course not.
    But if you want to argument on kindergarten level have fun with yourself.
    I'm out of here.
     
  5. Sinus Well

    Sinus Well Audiosexual

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    Bad day?
     
  6. Ryck

    Ryck Guest

    @twoheart @Sinus Well
    Come on guys, it's a philosophical talk, nobody here is right, we are just discussing possible events. Let's not take these debates personally. I like to read you all, we will always agree with some things and disagree with others, that's the beauty of debate, if we all agreed it would be boring.
     
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  7. Sinus Well

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    I agree.
    I'd have just found it interesting to read @twoheart counter arguments.
     
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