AI generative model in DAW... Good or bad idea?

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by innermost, Dec 13, 2025 at 4:30 PM.

  1. Lieglein

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    There are people out there that unironically don't want anything to change. The people that are able to profit most of AI are people without expertise - the small men.

    People say, that it takes jobs away. Yes, it decreases the need for expertise. :cool:

    It is advisable to recognize that there are people out there right now creating major things without any expertise. They really are running away. You will hear in some few years people saying "I had no idea about what I did there but I created it".

    People should not be surprised about a system that gatheres informations and draws conclusions out of it. We do it too.
     
  2. m.sarti

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    Discussion of A.I. in music-making entails a consideration as to how much one consents to and is willing to participate in the replacement of Humanity with machinery. Letting A.I. "make" music for you is like letting a robot take your job away from you. How important is it to you to have come up with and accomplished something yourself, from your own creativity and skill, instead of letting A.I. generate something legitimate-sounding that you can easily take credit for?

    Enough people are lame enough to opt for the latter, which is already making it difficult for those who value personal expression and the sweat equity of creating something great. I've seen on this forum, for years, posts posing questions such as "How important is it to know music theory?" and whether there's some application that can generate lyrics, or if it's okay to steal lyrics from some unknown songwriter and hope that they don't find out about it.

    How much have we prepared for the release of the A.I. "genie" when we have been using phrase-builders and automated strumming in virtual instruments, chord generators in DAWs, pre-made MIDI patterns and audio loops for drum tracks, and so on? We've replaced real performances on real instruments with virtual performances on samplers, via data entry on a MIDI keyboard. The question is how much further do these tools enable and push the creativity and artistic expression of the composer or musician, and how much do they replace them? A.I. is the rubicon past which they're replaced.
     
  3. PulseWave

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    Google Translate doesn't translate the salutations correctly from German.

    I already understood that it's your channel. I'm not making assumptions or guesses; please keep in mind that the older generation thinks differently than the younger generation. I'm quite old and was born before the internet was invented; back then, everything was analog.
    You don't need to explain that it's only you and no one else. It was just noticeable that you use OBSIDIAN Neural (Real-Time AI Music Generation For Live Performance) in five videos.

    Anyone who extensively works with AI and also writes software has exposed their brain to AI, and the more often they work with AI, the greater the role AI plays in their life. The synapses they use for this become stronger with repeated and frequent use. You are a creative person; your brain wants to work and create something, so you made the AI software because you could and wanted to. You are a techie, and your brain processes a lot of information. What kind of education do they have? Are they a math whiz? How old are they?

    I really like these videos you posted; they show people in the creative process (also known as work).

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    It's great that they play live: Try to achieve better sound and picture quality when you perform live.

    I'm calling for less AI, more humanity, less isolation in front of the computer, against loneliness, more community and conversations between people, more humanity and less technology.

    You probably wanted to know what I do:

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    https://www.youtube.com/user/FutureNoise1
     
  4. PulseWave

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    There are 3 groups of people: The first group does something. The second group watches what the first group does, and the third group has no idea what's going on.
     
  5. Ak3mi91

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    Yes, the answer is yes.
     
  6. Olaf

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    Since NMT apps like Google Translate are also based on AI, for example, have you ever considered that without AI, you wouldn't be able to use this forum at all? But that would probably mean you would be more isolated, more lonelier, with less conversations... :dunno:
     
  7. PulseWave

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    I know what you mean, but that wasn't a general statement about AI.
    The thread starter wanted to recommend an AI software he had created himself.

    I was referring to the topic of the threads: AI generative model in DAW... Good or bad idea?
     
  8. Neurolepticer

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    There were some who implemented this, and it worked. However, the latencies are very high, which is why no one is pursuing it further.
     
  9. Somnambulist

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    Since when does a trained musician need to read ? Tommy Emmanuel does not read one note of music and was already touring with his family at six years of age. You took a semantic and ridiculously twisted it unnecessarily. They all fall under trained, whether they trained themselves, were completely blind and ear trained. Be real man, most people knew exactly what I meant. I could say where does that leave Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles? BOTH very trained. If you prefer the phrase 'experienced on their instrument', then fine, but most people knew exactly what I meant and it was not wrong, only summarised. Even the ones you did mention practiced and honed what they do using whatever they had available, so they definitely 'trained' themselves. A good voice whether singing or virtuosic rapping is also an instrument, so be honest, you did know what I meant. We've both been here long enough. :)

    People have to stay on top of it. You do not want someone dictating what you like, what people should listen to or anything along that line, anymore than me or any other musical person does.
     
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    I have the feeling if most of you try what is going to be done by this AI you'll be supprised at how useless it is.

    In my other job we use Autodesk's AUTOCAD software.
    There was big fuss a couple of years ago how they where adding AI to the software to help.

    When it comes down to it. The AI can only analise your process, not what you produce. Due to data owner ship and size of files that would need to be sent/received.

    So They analyse what you are doing, tell you about it and try to create things to help.

    Last month I used the copy command 1569 times and now it feels the need to remind me there is a command to copy the same things multiple times. The fact that I use the copy command 1500 times on 1500 differant things dosen't matter.

    2 months ago it suggested adding a button to the tool bar for a custom command that would move things left 57mm and before that it was a button to copy things right and up at an angle of 37°.
    It's never helpful and always a waste of the computer's resources.

    I can almost guarantee that the best AI will offer is to add a button that normallises the whole track to 0db and fades the last 5.794 seconds to 0.

    Not becuse it's helpfule but because that seems to be what you do alot on average.
     
  11. Synth Life

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    The topic of AI in the arts is almost ideological. You will probably lose more friends than gain talking about it. People aren't changing their minds. My ideology of AI is that it's an assistant. But you know, who cares.
     
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    What it is is clear, but what consequences it has for people in their daily lives is less so. The world will become even colder with AI, as it partially replaces humans. You call your doctor, and who answers? AI. You want information and to speak to a person? Who answers the phone? AI. Please press 1 or the pound key.

    For cost reasons alone, AI will take over more and more areas, as money becomes increasingly scarce worldwide. AI is an automatic consequence of data collection systems. Humans simply take too long to find, read, and analyze files. Clever programmers write programs for AI, feed them with the available data, and program in the right questions.
     
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    I don't take the The Macc Lads seriously as artists either...
     
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    Forum threads are known to change the world..
     
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    AI is training and searches for info from forums, xd, so you can be right.
     
  16. Audioguydaz

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    Very simply, try it. And see.
     
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    Everything you've ever written or liked on the internet, or whatever else, will eventually be analyzed by AI...! No one knows what will happen to your data then; probably the brightest minds at the university will write a code to separate the important from the unimportant, so that maybe in 40 years they'll find out where you buried the cassette tape with the gold in your garden.
     
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    Back in the day posts were autodeleted, the only way to be remembered was to think something original that will get you "quoted".
    Also apples had 800% percent more mineral/vitamin content, i mean you cant just eat one apple and start figuring sh*t out right away.
     
  20. innermost

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    How old are you?
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