the major new thing is Auto Shift, something like Pitch correction.

Then we have a new instrument device: Drum Sampler – compact one-shot sampler with built-in effects

Auto Tagging, which didnt really work for my sample folder? (not sure for what it looks like, if it actual works? Or its a problem on my end ...)

Some Effect devices were improved: Limiter and Saturator. Again we lose the old devices and the new ones are just replacing the old ones. So its maybe good to save the old devices as presets, so you dont lose them, I will post them to the other topic with the other old devices.
I would had prefer like it was done with Redux, there there is simply Redux 2.

And then some MIDI improvements, specific for MPE.

And ofc a few new stuff for Push, there is also a separate changelog for Push updates.

Also there is no PDF Manual included, the Docs folder has been removed from the installer entirely, So i guess we are stuck with a non searchable online manual, which isnt even uptodate - well done Ableton.

here is the link for the post by Ableton: https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/live-121-adds-auto-shift-drum-sampler-and-more-now-in-public-beta/

Any thoughts about this major minor upgrade below!

 

(I'm)patiently waiting for them to fix the forced browser/tagging debacle (or a simple opt out legacy/current preferences button) so my labor intensive custom folder structure and naming scheme is usable UGGH!!!!

 

its a mess, tags do not work in folders added to collections.

Vendor tagging for plugins has a loading delay, so i turned it off again. And Ableton devs has said, they cant resolve that? Its very noticible with only 300 plugins. now imagine 1000+ plugins. And im already on a machine with a not so slow CPU.

Im still using Collections and if tags would work there, i couldnt care less about the other stuff.
I dont know this whole tagging was nice, but it feels like its just not good implemented.

Yeah i made my own Labeling structure?

It still also bugs me, that i have to shut up both the indexer and Plugin scanner. Why scan, when nothing has changed?

renaming the Indexer also does no longer work, bcs it now asks you where the indexer executable is -- and opens a dialog for that.

 

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IL is also doing great. They are a bit smaller than Ableton, but they recently acquired Melda, Uvi and they also have Producer Loops and a few more.
IL also released FL 24 a few days ago i think. Also with a lot of new features.

I am not sure has FL now pitch correction, like Live does with this update?

I am looking forward to really using the Pitch correction.

 

compact one-shot sampler with built-in effects.

it sounds great and adds new sound tools to Live.

 

Ableton doesnt crash for me ... idk what people do with Live?

 

you have to force old device behaviour with presets, there is no way to get them with a mouse click.
I dont see anything, when i click there.

 

IL tends to keep plugins, remember the Formula plugin is over 20 years old and its a crazy idea to enter a formula for a cycle and use it as a control device. Its a crazy flexible idea, i loved 20 years ago and still do ...

and it could be used to volume control and side chain. Actual FL never had a clever side chaining feature up to later versions.

FL did grow in a different way, Ableton does collabs on devices: AAS, Cytomic (Glue, EQ8) or they do stuff in house, if they can.
IL simply grabs ideas of plugins and the dev and hire them to work for them.
This adds a while different nature to how devices are born for FL.
i remember how reflex got hired by IL.

FL always was Steq Sequencer oriented and they still are. They added more flexibility to the playlist with every
new major version, but their users still love the step Seq.

The point is, IL has a different mentality than Ableton has, hence the products are different in terms of how to deal with features.
Also adding new features requested by IL users are super super fast implemented, for Ableton it takes ages, if not forgotten.

 

I think they totally build up Drum Sampler from the beginning. Otherwise there would be a reverse features as Simpler already has. It looks much more modern than Simpler.
I think there is no time limit for importing samples, atleast nothing mentioned anywhere.
But i havnt tried anything longer than 30sec.

the sample play with Drum sampler seems to proper pitch it, so you can play melodies on your keyboard with a stretched sample i guess.

Yeah Ableton online Manual is way behind. And there is also no offline PDF so far. So we are totally undocumented and in the dark, i really dont hope it stays that way, but im afraid it will ...

you can try the pb for yourself. its free for everybody who knows how to handle R2R latest release.

 

you can skip the scanning by cancel it in the settings after startup, if you scanned through before, it shouldnt be a problem.
the indexer i also always pause, its like the indexer has no memory, always scanning everything again and my sample folder are small with only 20GB, while other have huge folders. Still stupid, as it uses the SSD for no reason and shortens the lifetime. Thank you Ableton.

there is no fight, if FL's plugin would still work like the reason rack plugin does in ableton, i would still use both, but nahh, the FL studio plugin is useless, there is no access to MIDI parameters, like there is for Reason Rack plugin.
So i gave up on FL being a Partner for Ableton.

but i do sometimes use FL 20, no need to upgrade has everything i need.

the FL mixer/FX way is just different than the Ableton one, sure 10 slots and these 100 mixing channels can be a be limiting, but if you dont have huge projects it should be fine.

I actual like the improvements they did to the Limiter and the Saturator, it was long overdo. The Limiter has been sitting on the master channel since 2010 in my template, it does a good job there, limiting to high output, but otherwise doing nothing.