24-16 = 16-24 = -102

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  1. No Avenger

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    No, this is not the humor sub and I neither invented a new math. I'm talking about the difference between 24bit and 16bit.

    So, here's a 24bit file
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nh6p1F8_QPFmAzbf2HeG0d5b_i8irKK-

    This is the sample same 16bit version
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hCXgmZNxpu801LZfsLO7k0uTOmJ0OAAQ

    And this is the difference in a null test
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tzT2UwGX3MBwxg8J_rWG2s6_nwFIqQkA

    What you do not hear, unless you crank up your speakers, is a white noise at -102dB.

    So, what was the reason why you use 24bit again?
     
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    Ohh this one's gonna be epic... :rofl:
     
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    Can someone send me the original thread? I want to read it. :disco:
     
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    yes. now multiply that noise 20-40 times . in 24bit you have more detail with analog sources, vsti's sound more detailed and the whole dynamic range is much bigger. think jpg vs raw in digital photography. same thing. you have more pixels to destroy :)
     
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    Dan Worrall explained it pretty well as part of his video about dithering:

     
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    Like you said it yourself, I crank my speakers(mixes):rofl:
     
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    For playback (i.e. consuming music) 24 bit has no advantages (but some disadvantages). Xiph explained it in the famous Neil Young article years ago:
    But during recording and production you often do want to have the extra headroom and precision of 24 bit (or even more).
     
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    These are nine separate tracks, I don't use 180 - 360 tracks...
     
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    24bit has more precision than 16bit? Debatable. And to avoid clipping I prefer to record in 32bit FP so I don't need to care about hitting 0dB and can focus on the A/D chain and conversion.
    And yes, I know this wastes even more space and is also basically a 24bit recording but this was not my point. My point is that some people believe there's an audible difference in the musical content.
     
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    It's more like RAW (16bit) vs PNG (8 bit) since JPG is lossy compressed but the comparison is good, and cool :):wink:
     
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    As a final format it hasn't an audible difference. Well, unless you can hear a sound system powered by a nuclear reactor without getting deaf.
    I'm sure soon people'll say they can in this thread.
    Vinyl vs CD, 48 vs 96Khz, DAWs that sound better, flat vs round earthers....:rofl:
     
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    I like to drink beer for free in 24-bits Club. :cheers:
     
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    24bit has 144dB dynamic range while 16bit has 96dB dynamic range. Where's Monty Montgomery when you need hi.....oh, here he is:
     
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    If what you're saying is what I'm thinking you're saying then I agree with you totally. Post-production, post-everything: grab a 24 bit and a 16bit and see if you can tell the difference on any track. If you can... you're high and, whilst that's not a bad thing, it's probably not a great reason for going beyond 16 bit for end use (i.e. transmission to the human scone).

    All of the rest of the posts talk about production which is missing the point, I assume.
     
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    I don't need reason for that (neither does @tun ) :yes:

    Let's not underrate @No Avenger 's ability to bust some balls through the ambiguity... :rofl:
     
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    Those of us with critical listening skills can hear the difference. Easiest for me to tell is the reverb tails are cleaner and longer on 24bit. The high end is also more open and natural sounding.
     
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    This has nothing to do with believing.
    There are some classical recordings where a clear difference between 16bit & 24bit can be perceived.
    With hyper-compressed pop music, of course you won't find the difference.
     
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    Dang it, Baxter posted Monty before I had time to! :p
     
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    Debatable? So The Nyquist Rate in relation to sampling is pure conjecture?
     
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