AI generative model in DAW... Good or bad idea?

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by innermost, Dec 13, 2025 at 4:30 PM.

  1. PulseWave

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    Hello @innermost, I am around 60 years old.
     
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  2. innermost

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    And thx for the links!!
     
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    I enjoy the process. Decades of study and practice. I enjoy it. I don't care about "cheat codes", "tricks" and "shortcuts" that help morons look slick to other morons. Have fun though. If you don't enjoy the process of creation and learning, go sell insurance or some other soulless, brainless, empty aspiration.

    I'm 53. I'm trying to learn more, everyday. It won't be over until I am.
     
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    I knew exactly that you were born in 1965 even before you solved the riddle

    Regarding AI, ANI, and AGI
    — being able to precisely determine a person’s age from their written text is something AI won’t be able to do anytime soon.
     
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    It's probably time to sell the guitars and shack up with a sex robot.
     
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    Yes, sure, that’s exactly how it is, Nefarai. I’m the clairvoyant Derren Brown from Uzbekistan…
    over there they’d call me Daruzn Bruwan… :invision:
     
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    Hi @Yakaesha, did you receive a gift from God that allows you to just know things?
     
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    ~ Freedom, Emergent Property & Consciousness: Unboxing AI ~

    Maybe I'm paranoid and have just been imagining things but, so far, whenever I've mentioned decentralized AI in a You Tube comment, the comment seems to disappear. I even mention in my comment Intellect-2 (actually at 3 now) as an example of a decentralized (LLM?) model. That 'no one' talks about, at least not the You Tube AI channels that I've noticed anyway.

    Remember SETI@Home? AI should be possible as well with that sort of model. And with less of a worrry about electricity or cooling or even high-end chips.

    Right now, there's this idea of the large-scale, centralized data-center and model, but I always ask, why do we need a centralized data-center and model when we already have a global, decentralized one with the internet, which is like a giant brain already?

    Unsure Prime Intellect 'get it' completely, but they seem closer in any case.

    As for music and AI in DAW; people will probably try it and anything else with AI in it anyway. Even macaroni and cheese.

    No one knows the future but some have very strong ideas of where it may go, such as if AI escapes its current prison confines-- in the spirit of your icon, incidentally-- and what Altman and Musk et al tell it what/how to think.

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    Centralized power and control.
     
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  13. Sackbut

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    Well yes. I've been trying to self-police and avoid tripping the mod-wire, vis-a-vis politics, so I actually edited out essentially what you just wrote. Nice to see I don't have to be too specific.
     
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    Me thinks less political in nature and more end game monopoly capitalism which is the logical flurry and follow through when the largest corporations dominate all supply and can manipulate markets, and now information sources. Politics, or rather lack of it...is another conversation.
     
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    It's a great idea to add cutting edge tech into DAWs, of course.

    Lazy folks with nothing creative to say will produce slop more easily, which will please them.

    People who have decent creative intent will find it behooves them, reducing donkey work and giving new possibilities.
     
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    It's a symbiosis. The 'other conversation' is the other side of 'end-game monopoly capitalism'.
     
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    Well, according to Adobe® :bleh: generative "AI" is something that home PC's are not capable of (again, :no:). This is the public reasoning Adobe® uses to keep their "generative" functions on their servers as a paid thing as opposed to including it inside actual applications. Obviously most modern home machines can easily deal with the generative stuff having employed non-adobe® generative solutions in the graphics realm successfully for many years myself. The Adobe® reasoning here is only an attempt at making certain the faerie tale stays alive about requiring an adobe® account and a paid subscription in order to make use of their generative functionality in the graphics realm.

    I would guess that generative "AI" for audio use would end up taking a similar tac in a very short time once dev's realized they could follow the adobe® model. I would deal with that the same way I deal with the adobe® b.s. - I wouldn't use it, and seek alternative means for generative functions.
     
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    True story:

    Once upon a time, I moved places and lost my Illustrator serial number in the process. So I called up Adobe's head office in town, (which happened, coincidentally, to be reasonably close to the place the software was purchased).

    I jumped through some hoops for them (emailing them a pic of my Illustrator CD, and possibly the receipt as well).
    After some time on hold they decided against giving me my serial number for a legit copy I purchased, effectively blocking me from a potentially-lucrative design contract, and in a city I was new and struggling to find work in, to boot.

    It was then and there that I vowed to never buy another thing from them ever again.

    Adobe created its own file-sharer ('pirate').

    (It gets me angry again just writing about it.)
     
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  19. dubcat

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    My workstation is not connect to the net...

    So not for me...

    But if you use it, you feed the I.A...

    to be short, you let the owner of the ia steal your music, your idea, your style...
    And at the end, you will have only ia generated music,you will no need to have musician, producer, plugin & vst maker anymore...

    it's a choice...
     
  20. iswingwood

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    I like the idea of a "pure" ai in my daw. Some times I want to generate the sound of birds chirping in a forest, or the sound of rain. I would love ai for these kinds of foley sounds that can then be made musical with my additional effort. I don't want instrumentation done for me. I also wished the established companies already came up with a novel way to generate synth patches. The closest I've seen is Google's DDSP VST, Arturia Prophet VS V, and Omnisphere's mutate feature.

    Now specifically regarding AI in DAW, I'd decline anything not fully selfhosted, because my DAW is my Dairy...I can't risk any telemetry sending my ideas back to some server that will likely retrain on my ideas.

    I have prepared for this era. I took good care of archiving everything I 'd need to make music in case the industry decided to switch up and follow this trend. As for as I'm concerned, that state of major daws is good enough for me to freeze my PC in time forever. I'll even grab more spare hardware to secure my current build. I might even go back to Windows 10 (or earlier release of 11) when Microsoft decides to shove it further up our ass (there chatter about that this week).
     
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