Not sure what @villageidiot meant, but it seems to me he was talking of "party places" for a variety of ages including us old timers Because some discos/pubs/clubs (terminology here can vary a lot depending of country) are like 99% people under 30 Pubs here (Spain) usually means roughly something between a big bar and a disco. We have "bar" pubs, but those are "English pubs", Irish and so on
I meant electronic / house / techno clubs. Like Razzmatazz or La Paloma in your home country Spain, in Barcelona, I've played there couple of times myself in the past. Though it seems nowadays at least Razzmatazz also offers different types of music.
How much does admission cost and how much does a drink cost? Were you able to make a living from your job as a DJ?
I stand corrected then, the thread took a turn. That's so cool you having played here. I've been in Razzmatazz, and a lot of times in the former Razzmatazz, same place but different name and music
I did for a while in the early 2000s until around 2008 / 2009 playing around clubs in Europe with few stints in Americas and Asia and Australia. I was not a DJ actually but played "live" my own tracks, with laptop and some machines. So that was quite long time ago and I don't know how much the price of admission was back then, it is probably more now anyway. Don't remember also how much drinks cost back then, anyway I got drinks for free when I played
Man, sounds like quite the interesting years. No fair, they were payware for me Who am I kidding, totally fair ;) Don't remember the prices, I'd say slight above the average but fitting to a club like that. That zone in general was pure party and music the weekends. Holy shit, what memories. Started to frequent it with my pals around 1993 till roughly 2006. I could swear I developed biceps only by training hard "heavy jar lifting" Last edited: Dec 8, 2025
Thank you for the insight, and it's lovely that you went among people and saw them dancing and smiling. This is real life, it's fun, what more could you want...: Fred Ventura "The Years" Live at Super Italo Weekend Vääksy Finland 15/09/2012 Ken Laszlo "Hey Hey Guy" Live at Super Italo Weekend Vääksy Finland 15/09/2012
yeah I used to pride myself on making every drum loop myself, even recordings my own drum one shots from every drummers drumkit I ever recorded in the studio - all for not. Eventually I realized that almost everyone uses WAY more samples than you think. Every once in while I will find a preset somewhere and be like "Holy shit - this was used in _____!" Kind of a 'Gorillas - Clint Eastwood' moment. where the whole song is a preset. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yCDljBVnds8
Well. All early house is fkn original. Tracks like "Jack your Body" by Steve "Silk" Hurley, Raze -"Break 4 Love", Lil Louis -"French Kiss", JayDee - "Plastic Dreams", Robyn S -"Show me Love" to name a few are original pieces. In fact most of those early Chicago house and Detroit "techno" are such innovative tracks that have been sampled/remade/remixed or just outright copied too many times over the years. Want more? "Can you Feel it" by Mr.Fingers, "House Music Anthem"-Marshal Jefferson, "Gupsy Woman"-Crystal Waters, "Good Life" Inner City. Even later on, tracks like Wink's "Higher State of Consciousness", "The man with the Red Face" - Laurent Garnier, more rnb flavoured like CeCe Peniston "Finally". Most Cajmere/Green Velvet tracks are originals. And expanding to tracks like "Born Slippy" Underworld, Faithless - "Insomnia", "Robert Miles' -"Children", it only goes to show that -in my humble opinion- the most iconic "electronic dance" tracks from the mid 80's till at least early 2Ks are originals. There are many many more. Forgive me if i forgot to mention them, it's not on purpose. My point though is simple. Perhaps you 've been listening to current -at the time- hits when you were younger. Electronic dance music (not EDM) goes well beyond that and much further back to Giorgio Moroder, Kraftwerk and a lil later Patrick Cowley (the Sylvester hit era) to name a few. And those early electronic tracks' influence morphed to what became early 80s electro and freestyle and post disco and boogie and italo and eventually house and techno. The latter twp didn't appear out of nowhere. They were just the evolution of everything before them. Yes some good deal of house and other electronic genres samples old tracks. But it's the genre itself that can also be defined through sampling in a way. Younger peeps (if they haven't already) need to understand that hiphop/rap and house/techno evolved in parallel and the techniques used in making both are quite similar even down to the gear used back then. That 's why very early on we had hiphouse to hit Billboard charts. The most iconic of them all that still stands the test of time, is of course Pump Up the Jam and it truly is hiphop and house at the same time. Funky as hell too if you ask me hehe. I 'll spare you of my mumbling any further. But yeah there might be an ocean of samplists but the are too many originals as well. Dig in bro! Cheers Last edited: Dec 9, 2025
I can't help, but every time I see PUTJ I visualize Kunk on Earth : (BTW IF you decide to watch it, don't skip the repeating clip, instead have a look to subtitles.)
There are musicians who can DJ and DJ's who can play an instrument. Unfortunately, Kanye's on-the-spot interview where he was asked to play something on a piano or guitar and he said he couldn't, did not do wonders for public opinion of DJ's and sample manipulators. There are of course musicians who cannot DJ and DJ's who cannot play an instrument. There are also people who call themselves musicians who cannot do either as well. I am not judging anyone - just observing what is. Samples are here to stay. Some people create their own, some people copy or at worst, steal other people's music and manipulate it until it is nearly unrecognizable. Some people credit the original, some people do not. Again, just observing what is. As for the morality of it all, not only is it too late to worry about that, it is a horrible can of worms, as is the "fair usage' laws. P.S - The only area I am adverse to letting anyone call themselves a musician is someone who goes to an A.I with a scratchpad of lyrics and gets an A.I to do all the music without being capable of telling it a key, or any chords or any patterns, rhythms or anything remotely musical and lets it also finish the lyrics for them. They are barely a lyricist and nothing more, they are not a musician. Last edited: Dec 9, 2025
Ha, I used to do that too... "Before we start I just need to get hits of all your kit at various velocities in case we need to replace any mis-hits down the line."
Not entirely sure how some of this is relevant to what I said. How much an artist is being paid is a component of the promoters costs and still subject to the conditions I mentioned. If that is the case, how does the promoter generate the capital to pay for the event costs? Only in the case of small local clubs that do not have real events, with employed resident DJs that play chart hits for normals, pay their DJs directly [I even did a form of this in my early 20s when I used to run an Alternative night at a local club - I still however promoted it in the exact same manner as I would do when I moved on to promoting real club nights, after convincing the club management that "this is how it's done", branding the night separately from their generic club name, getting them to cough up money for posters/flyers designed by myself (I'm sure we all know how these type of clubs do their terrible generic gaudy cabaret promo material) and distributed over a far wider area than a club like that would ever consider.] Last edited: Dec 12, 2025
As much respect for Goa Gil and his dedication to the scene that I have, I've Gotta say that I can't abide the stuff that he churns out these days. Too fast and chaotic for my taste.
I recently happened to pass by a Goa tribe and was amazed by what they were doing. I didn't find out whether it was a religion or if they were being paid for it. Everyone is dancing peacefully and happily, even during the day on the bare ground...! Rinkadink & Element @ Soulvision Festival 2015 || Full Set ||
