Well, lets not exagerate. Its clear that we all make mistakes from time to time and I’m not talking about opinions but info that can be easily verifid with minimal effort.
Mostly, it was a wish to use self-control .I understand this is the Internet and my expectations may be way too optimistic, but at least people would be modest about what they really know and undersatand and most crucially a basic sense of responsibility and respect for those to whom they hand out their pearls of wisdom, to people who are already drowning in information and sometimes cant distinguish valuable content from rubbish.
Of course, this nonsense has been on the ignore list for a long time, but it keeps popping up as others respond to it and follow the absurd advice

 

@clone , seems chatgpt has already fried your brain or you use it to answer for you, xd... Very sad story.
Anyway, LLMs resemble a phone’s autocomplete because they both predict the most likely next words based on patterns learned from large amounts of text.Traditional AI knowledge bases store explicit facts and rules that the system retrieves and applies, while LLMs don’t store facts in a structured way, they generate answers by statistically predicting text based on patterns in data rather than consulting a fixed, logical database of knowledge.
Is it hard to understand it?

 

Agree with the commotion regarding the truth. Saw another post regarding "AI Psychosis" on the same category here. Regarding the second point though , Michael Foucalt might be relevant in this case...

As information is in abundance , the flow or control of information would be power. Which is now controlled by the big tech and data centers using our data

 

What you might be referring to would be well defined by the term "Spoonfeeding" Ig

 

This is exactly what I mean with this “sick fixation” on AI! Advice that people give here is crosschecked on AI and if it ‘somehow’ matches your advice you're automatically branded as a fraud that gives advice using AI!

In this case I gave an honest advice on using a well known Kontakt piano library, because I know it very well and know the demo songs (and I think everyone does here, so it’s a very common piano library). I even pointed out in what demo song this ‘mood’ could be heard.
But still I get accused of using AI, just because his search on ChatGPT suggested this library! (But not the demo song I pointed to though!)

It’s like someone asking this question “How can I adjust the frequencies in an audio file”. And your advice would be using a tool like Fabfliter Q3/4? And then people search on AI to check your answer. And if it matches your advice you're branded as a fraud using AI!

Or even on this question, "how can I record a sound"? If your answer is "use a microphone". You get branded because you gave the same answer as AI did.

For an increasingly amount of people AI is becoming the reference to whatever we humans say and advise! If anything we humans think or say matches AI, we humans must be having this knowledge from AI!

It seems seems people forgot that the knowledge that AI has today comes from us humans! AI is nothing more than an algorithm using this knowledge. It can not think, it can not reason. It can only use our data based on given algorithms.

So why would you still believe AI if I already told you I didn't use it and the advice came solely from my own experience?

So yes, like I said this AI shit is becoming a really big problem on this forum and other forums as well. Because it seems members are starting to attack each other just because of this stupid AI shit!

We really need to find a way to stop this bullshit! ASAP!

 

Yes, that's exactly it; there are opponents of AI and proponents of AI.
"A democracy without debate isn't a democracy."

So the debate will continue. Prepare yourself mentally for the fact that the topic of AI will remain.
AI is intended to remain, and become, an integral part of our societies.

We shouldn't dramatize everything surrounding AI and should make sure that differing opinions are respected.
In a forum, you'll sometimes be criticized, praised, or insulted, and sometimes not.

As long as we can still talk to each other, listen to each other, and argue for the better argument, there's always hope of finding a solution.
I once used AI to answer difficult questions here in the forum. I've completely stopped using it now; I've gathered all my positive and negative experiences with the AI. The backlash against me was enormous, oh man!

AI is a real forum disruptor and not conducive to peaceful coexistence. Sorry to everyone I annoyed and bothered with the AI.
It was worth a try, though, to use the new AI technology, but it ultimately proved unreliable.

 

Add "The fear of" to the beginning of the thread title.

 

That reminds me a little of the discussions that took place when the first drum computers (1980) came onto the market.

 

That seems to me like the problem right there in a nutshell...the creation of music in my mind should be first and foremost, technology as a supporting mechanism only to foster that creation.

Your post instantly sent my thoughts racing to this ditty...

 

Im not gonna read the comments, but i made a response in the other thread "wilding" about a dude having AI Pshychoisis.

Now AI is basically used for information gathering, easing up a topic, but still in that topic, the AI and internet already knows what you like and dislike etc. Its like you talk about buying an iphone, and whoops up comes an ad of an iphone.

So can we trust AI? No. Should we use AI ? No. I stay out of it, if i want to do research i use google and multiple sources.

AI is already implemented in google, so there is no way around it. But it's sole purpose is to gather information and create content that keeps you engaged. So do something productive, make music, read a book. Take a walk. Go to the gym, idk don't be stuck in a loop.

I don't care about AI, so i don't use it, thus i don't visit AI sites chatGPT or we, even if i know things are working in the "background"

IT is a pickle. But yeah don't use it.... If you can handle it sure whatever, but whats the endgame?

You need info on a subject fine, use google, and googles AI will collect the data for you, isn't that enough?
Its not like we can turn AI on or off in our browser.
Maybe someone could develop an anti AI software :D

All i'm saying is its negatively loaded since it alrdy know you and your preferences even before you begin. AI is a u know used as a cyber war "tool" and i try to stay out of anything that has a negative impact, this includes Facebook, Instagram, TikTok w/e i use youtube obviously and Soundcloud being a music content creator.

But i tried once to tell an AI tell me how to make a track like Boris Brejcha, and it answered with pretty basic stuff, so the AI don't know the human factor, only information.

We should have a information protection policy implemented already from our governments but nope, they use the information as well, and information is also worth money... You see the picture?

Stay true to your self, don't cut corners, don't believe everything you read. Im always applying the 3 different sources rule.
EG. if i want to know something for some reason, i want 3 different sources saying the same thing, and its best if it comes from other people, then i can trust the info.
And the sources should not be connected in anyway.

AI gather info quickly so yeah it can help, but at what cost? What happens when you talk to an AI, the information is stored and put in the loop.
So stay away from it.

AI is so much bullshit, use your brain not AI.

 

The Dead were one of the greatest of their generation. Thanks for that flashback

 

I mean, thats why i say, Stay OUT of AI, basically the only option we have is to not visit them or use them, google implemented it as a search function, combining results, idk that feels relatively ok. But i used ChatGPT 4 times maybe, and it didn't answer anything i couldn't find on my own. in this case about making music. So the real enemy is the background AI gathering information about you without you'r consent.

And that information is worth money for several purposes, political standings, manipulating your content, ads, you know, i can see my content changing when i change whats on my mind, if change from music making to idk working out, content then pops up about training. You see?
Its already up and running. I hope someone can make a software preventing AI reaching our personal information....

 

I just judge the RESULTS. And it sucks.

And about "how it works", even so called "experts" don't know it
https://futurism.com/anthropic-ceo-admits-ai-ignorance

So you pretend to "know better" than us and so called "experts" who created AI systems.
Good luck ...

 

Data is the new gold. If you want to avoid having AI, large corporations, etc., collect information about you, remain anonymous if possible, or unplug and stay offline. They want your data so they can analyze it and so that manufacturers know what they will need or buy tomorrow. Incidentally, the AI also scans our forum for answers.

Ad blockers were a great invention to protect us from rampant advertising. Otherwise, data protection regulations and laws vary depending on the country where you live. Read them. General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) https://gdpr-info.eu

EU AI Act: first regulation on artificial intelligence
The use of artificial intelligence in the EU is regulated by the AI Act, the world’s first comprehensive AI law. Find out how it protects you. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topi...t-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence
The internet is not a lawless space; the battle is raging, and there are court rulings.

In practice, however, this doesn't look good for us at all; there will always be surveillance to ensure that crime doesn't decrease and that the public's need for security is respected. Here, we have a motion-tracking AI system being tested at the train station! It still needs improvements and is currently in the training phase. Its purpose is to report suspicious movements to the police in a timely manner so they can intervene sooner.

If you live in America, for example, everything about you is collected and stored, and in cases of suspicion, your data is printed out and handed over to the investigating authorities. You should instead contact organizations that represent your rights, as well as consumer protection associations; read something by Edward Snowden.

 

Maybe we should focus only on AI in/for music on this board, dunno, this is getting into different territory right now and there's plenty of other boards out there to discuss all of that, news, development, dangers, gains and whatever non audio/music related and somehow here AI threads mostly end up non audio/music related...

 

I'm not trying to be argumentative for sure. But yes, I probably do know better than you and quite a few people here because I am an expert in AI. I build AI and I certainly do know how it works. Experts in the field of AI know exactly how it works. It sometimes does interesting things that we had not expected, but ultimately we know why those things happened. It's not very mysterious. But theres a sphere of bullshit surrounding it fueled by people who don't know what they are talking about. Thats where stories like that come from. If you train a model on a huge dataset and are vague with the tagging then things can get chaotic on the output. But we know why.

That story is referring to a system that has become too complex to track with the tools that are available to the devs. And so they need more appropriate tools. That seems reasonable and not something thats irrational and unknowable. We often make things that get a bit out of hand, messy and chaotic due to complexity we are not ready to handle - but we can resolve that if we want to. Or, on the other hand, we could just run away screaming and burn it all with fire.

 

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Nothing fancy: they have repeatedly "confessed" . They still can be counted with one hand. And obviously does not include the ones who properly "tag" his AI answers. [Edited: it does include the ones mostly posting AI-copy-paste, tagged or not]

I feel too related bro...

 

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I think ultimately, there is no single, foolproof method to recognize AI powered contributions. The most reliable indicator is often the presence of unique, concrete, and emotionally intelligent personal experiences that flow naturally from the text. In an ethical context, the best practice is transparency: writers should disclose if and how they used AI as a tool in their creative process. Or so to say: You will know them by their words.

 

People just don't get what an LLM is. My nephews lately were surprised how wrong AI was about solving their little "my fortnite is not gonna start" problem. After I explained what gemini and chatgpt are and how they create answers they were like "no wonder its all BS". They are 11 and 13. Its ok for those two to not know anything about AI. What I don't get is how grown up fcks on a board like this still think AI knows shit. It is a statistical word chainer. Thats all. And it is wrong in 40% of all use cases. And very wrong in 20%. It is worthless. Because when a user has to fact check everything it says, because it could be wrong, any normal ducducgo search is faster.
So, dear OP, you got a point there, I am so with you!

 

Yeah, that's a fact. But there're some hard facts, like openly admitting it. Or not tagging a post as AI and when asked later recognizing it. It comes down to statistics/probability. I'm sure nobody writes 100% of his posts directly from AI, but there're very few who do it a lot.
It's a necessary evil situation. Again, for me.

 

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