Suppose you ask a genuine question of, say, Google, about which you really don't know anything and are trying to find out or learn or understand an issue. The AI answer that pops up would seem to answer your question. How do you even know to keep going if this is something you are just starting to ask about? Recent example: I was listening to a violin concerto by Antonio Rosetti on SwissClassic Radio. I asked Google, what are the violin concertos composed by Antonio Rosetti. Answer: Antonio Rosetti wrote no violin concertos. Well, I am listening to one NOW, so obviously the answer is totally wrong. In fact, going over to Amazon there is a CD with 4 of his violin concertos. But if a person not versed in music other than being a listener, or a person asking a question about something brand new, and receives a totally wrong answer, how is the person to >know< that the information received is one huge error. And can conceivably have unfortunate and even serious consequences. THAT seems to me to be the problem....leaving aside the issue of how an awful lot of people are unable to hear the difference between an AI composed work and a human composed work. I think we are headed to a conformist mediocrity that infects a large proportion of the population....the remaining will turn into pariahs. Good Luck to us all.

 

We held a vote on the use of AI in the forum some time ago.
The result was that the majority voted in favor of using AI.
However, a condition is that the AI response must be clearly marked in a spoiler.

 

It already is.

Spoiler

this is too hard to scroll past

 

Who do you trust more: a musician who has been making music for many years, like Jean-Michel Jarre, or AI?
I would say the answer is simple. You benefit from Mr. Jarre's music and firsthand stage experience.

The use of AI is sometimes flawed, and that's why it won't catch on in its current form.
In short, companies aren't buying it because it's flawed. Who actually owns the internet?

Do you have any control over what you click on and use? Yes! So change your usage habits and avoid AI. Will we be able to stop AI? Only partially, because as long as it generates profit, the company owners will continue to unleash it on humanity.

There's often a lack of education, especially regarding how to use AI correctly, what it does, how the results are generated, what damage it causes, etc. I believe that with education and learning, we will get this under control. We need more media literacy.

Furthermore, at some point the rule of law will have to intervene, or want to intervene, to stop or contain this madness.
Simply don't buy their AI music products.

AI technology is very new, and it always takes several decades to correct errors and properly contextualize the history of AI.

 

Maybe we are being manipulated and it's true purpose is yet to revealed? For example, it could be used to create a digital panopticon that would reward and punish certain behaviours or control resources, and all you would need to implement it is a unique digital identifier, but you would have to keep the masses distracted while you built the infrastructure. You would also need to get rid of physical money and install cameras everywhere, so it wouldn't go entirely unnoticed. And yes, I have read 1984!

 

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Smaller...

In 3 years time when this thing blows up our reality maybe it...wont even matter, we'll have more swrious things to worry about.

 

My responses are interleaved with your comments above.

 

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It's only an issue if you LET IT BECOME ONE. I pretty much know on here anymore who spews info kiosk trash, who doesn't, and what the crap looks like when pasted into a reply (because these fools are too lazy to make it even look like a real reply).

 

Thanks @VintageDOC, I read your comments with great interest.

I would say one shouldn't believe anything at all, always remain critical, and think for oneself. The age of complete confusion is in full swing, and the outcome is uncertain. I hope our intelligence will be sufficient to protect ourselves. In cases of doubt, we can simply click away or switch off.

I usually answer my questions about AI like this: How did I search for something before the invention of the internet? Who could I ask? How did I solve my problems without the internet? I have an encyclopedia at home that I can look up, I go to the library and borrow a relevant textbook, or I buy a textbook at a bookstore.

 

When calling up google (in FF) I get the standard search field with a "AI mode" button to engage the so-called "AI" if one wanted to. I have never given it a 2nd thought but I remember it's there. I never use the stupid shit. I only use the standard search stuff. when I use the standard search, info comes up in a standard fashion. No "AI" b.s..

 

I just took few moments with AI and all I got it started asking money, love the tech

 

How do you know the “something new” isn’t crap? Do you go back and perform your own research when “something new” is given to you? Because most people don’t.

 

Powers that are well armed on every level. Not "We Users"

 

because ill redo my research using normal methods... my background is IT, its not a big deal

edit: I should give you an example-- im a tall bastard, i played a lot of basketball in my time... thought i knew everything about the sport. Bill Russell who played for the Boston Celtics has 11 championship rings, most NBA fans would know that. What the AI chat informed me, was there were barely any teams around in the league (roughly 8) at the time. It kinda makes sense why no one has mentioned it before when talking about the history of the sport, it ruins his accomplishment of 11 rings given that there are 30 teams today.

Theres a site called basketball reference, where this can be looked up.

 

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Society for the German Language: Jury selects "AI era" as the word of the year 2025

 

Who makes the algos, who trains the data, with what, and with what exceptions, no control on quality, trying to make money after few prompts.. few things to consider

It´s up to you to live in nonsense

This is with all AIs

 

I never read Pulsewave AI spoiler copy-pastes, or any other for what matter, no offenses. This forum is a rare gem where I'm here as a hobbyist for hanging around while I keep building the skills on the subject it's about thanks to the wonderful combined community's knowledge.

But I totally agree with Machine Ridim, every other day is another "WHAT ABOUT THE AI ON THIS? ARE WE DOOMED?" like we were so deep on the rage-clickbait trend that we ourselves write the titles following that cultural zeitgeist.

I also don't use google for searches, I'm used to Big Search add-on on Firefox that search on every possible engine available, even Yandex, but is true that nowadays I'll ask Claude.ai to make a deep research about any subject I want to know, with links and references. So there is no "hallucination" on it's part, just a good chunk of reading material categorized and ready to get my eyes dirty on. And that thing used to take a lot of time to gather just two years ago, now I can use it to go to do stuff with my kid instead, or whatever. Meanwhile I've tackle paid projects thanks to LLMs that I did not imagined finishing to that level of complexity just a few years ago. So I don't see the "dumb" part, in fact I've improve a lot my basic coding skills just by debugging the chunks it gives me. I can program my own complex max4Live devices for christ sake, without having to spend all that time into knowing every nuisance about Max to have good usuable resutls and while improving a lot on it at the same time.

My paid work lies on the multimedia creative field and I've been messing around with diffusion models and LLMs for almost 5 years since Disco Diffusion ran on Google Coll-ab notebooks (just GPU google put for use for that matter) and latter using my own workstation. And there is little difference between programing a good preset on an obscure synth, a hardcore sound design session or using diffusion models in creative ways in ComfyUI, for example.

My point is that don't entrech yourself on a dicotomic position. Enjoy the greys. This tech is not going to go away, just relax and enjoy what you can squeeze of it, like you enjoy hot water in the shower (which it has also an underlying tech that you gives for granted cause you were born into it). Let's get old with elegance, don't be a cliché. The political implications of the tech, on the other side, are not for discussing in this forum, and that's fine as well.

 

I'll be honest, as I've read through this thread. The more I read the less I felt I cared.
Then again, I've never believed anything online unless it's matched the facts I know and understand.

If someone wants to add a input responses from AI then so be it. 80% of the time there's something wrong with AI's facts when it comes to technical subjects anyway.

The Spoiler buttons we have here are good. Keeps the chunky AI responses out the way.

One good thing I've gotten from this thread though, is since reading this line of RachProko's at the start.

I've had this song playing in my head.

Haven't thought of it in years.
So thanks.