Regionally, in your area where you live, you can still make a difference and get things moving.
Find some like-minded people, place an ad in the newspaper, distribute flyers, and then start a musicians' association.

Perhaps you'll be a group of 5-10 people who can then exchange ideas, organize concerts themselves, talk to the city council about a guarantee against losses, and organize workshops for young people in youth centers or community centers, etc.

Talk to other groups in your city to organize music for local bands at city festivals. You can also try to organize rehearsal spaces, perhaps even soundproofing them. You can also establish non-profit associations to raise funds.

Don't wait for someone else to do it all for you. First, you need to realize that it's your life and that you can and must contribute to society yourself if you want to see change.

 

Record labels are already obsolete.

 

because I'm not sure I like the future with no bars, full of generic liquoir drunkards can get addicted to directly

 

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Ok, for record labels? The deal has been done for 2 of the 3 majors to use suno and udio.

If we think it is bad now for ai-generated music, openai is releasing generative music, and there will be another 10 services within the next year.

 

check my second post in this thread, I mention classical music there

 

Not a bad idea, I'll be taking this to heart.

 

That's actually legit proposition..

 

There are producers, there are "music producers," and then there are record producers.

The latter will always be able to make money, here's why:

If you look back at the careers of most musicians, songwriters, and producers - one hit wonders notwithstanding - they ebb and flow, with a massive swell of about 7 years. For those seven years, every label wants "that sound" (think The Neptunes, Missy & Timbaland, Teddy Riley's New Jack Swing, Nile Rodger's Chic and David Bowie's Let's Dance, or before that, Barry White, or my old buddy Isaac Hayes - RIP, or simply: James Brown), and if they can't get it, they hire and instruct other producers to copy it.

And then, audiences will tire, tastes will shift, another hot young producer will come along with a new sound, and so on and so forth.

So that's not gonna change: neither labels (these days, if ever) or ai have taste or vision. You need a human for that, because for reasons too complex to get into here, only a human can serve as a transducer.

There is also the small matter here that few seem to understand what a producer is and does.

What a producer is not is a DJ, or a beat maker, or a songwriter, or Pro Tools operator, or a home studio engineer.

Who a producer is or can be is someone like Rick Rubin: zero musical aptitude, actual education or knowledge, but tons of taste (perhaps not yours or mine, but his most definitely), and an open mind to try whatever. There's no way any ai can emulate that.

What a producer is or can be is someone like Quincy Jones: limitless musical aptitude, actual education and knowledge, and tons of taste. Maurice White, David Foster, Jay Graydon, Marcus Miller, Ken Scott, Alan Parsons, Max Martin or Dr. Luke fall in this category.

What a producer does is serve as interface between all parties: the label's A&R or President who signs the checks, the studio owner or manager, the artist/singer(s), the musicians or the band, the engineer(s) and assistants, the songwriter(s), the arranger/orchestrator(s), even the airline and hotel(s) if required.

By interface I mean: ability to collect information, and communicate and translate with the appropriate technical terminology or gravitas to all other relevant parties.

A producer is a visionary but also a facilitator. S/he can lead from the front, or from behind, and knows when to wave the baton (or the carrot), or get out of the way of the artist. It's unquantifiable what a producer brings to the mix until you've worked with a great producer. The two best albums by an internationally renown artist were produced by a friend of mine. He literally had to get the artist and the band out of bed daily, and drive them to the studio, and sit them in front of their instrument, and coax them to play something - anything - that little by little, over weeks, he managed to edit and splice together into a coherent collection of songs called albums.

And no one knows his name - the artist or the label or both chose to not credit him (the engineer got all the credit, even though he just pushed buttons and faders and did what the producer asked him to do).

No one - not even the whack jobs in Silicon Valley using ai as bait to vacuum hundreds of billions through Wall Street from every investor on the planet right now - is insane enough to figure ai will replace great producers.

What will happen to producers is exactly what happened to drummers and bass players when drum machines and computers took over the industry: all the demo studio work (up and coming artists and songwriters) that used to pay the bills for yet to be seasoned studio cats or engineers or studio owners dried up almost overnight (in L.A. at least; Nashville might've held out longer).

Suddenly, a very legitimate and decent avenue to the A list was yanked away from all the C and B players, engineers, and owners.

The same will happen to producers: the A list will remain the A list, but the C and B list producers will struggle, and many will leave the industry, or find other sources of revenue, but will not be able to graduate to the A list. We've seen it happen before, it will happen again.

The ai bubble will burst soon enough - mid or late 2026, maybe 2027 depending - but a form or another of ai will remain, will florish, and will become as ubiquitous as Google search. Everyone will have their ai subscription, like Netflix, like a utility bill, like a wheel chair for your lazy brain. Those of us who rebel against it, and keep functioning as human, musically and artistically, will continue to call ourselves record producers. Everyone else, I don't know what to call them: ai DJs? Or Assisted Producers? What do you think?

 

I think DAWs will become infested by AI generators to the point where "producers" have to simply click 2-3 buttons and write a prompt and everything will get generated and mixed for them. The difference between current AI audio stuff and this will be that there would be actual control over the material.

 

This is getting silly, look, there's no such thing as a 'music producer,' there are only writers und writer/producers, making money is not the objective, vast majority never will, for various reasons, you do it cos you luv it, you do your bit, try to get noticed, it's always been like that, anything else is a bonus. Period.

The daftest thing is, you all have access to exact same tools as the majors??? Suno etc, so use 'em, beat majors at own game, but Suno isn't the threat you all seem to think it is, just go about your bizness of writi.., er producing music, as all the worry in the world won't halt technology's advance.

 

The truth, AI trash is stealing and robbing the livelihood and life from real musicians. Imagine No musicians, no musical instruments needed, no recording studios and all associated products and any types of work and jobs, no concert halls and staff, food and drink sales, rigging technicians, AI taking the lifeblood from multi-billions of people who have families to feed and support. How many of you didn't realize the full impact and implications from using AI and too much technology and this is just the music industry and not all the other aspects of professions and workers in the labor force world wide.

 

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Well, that's the last step in technological innovation. Let's say robots replace humans at some point, anyone can be a musician or whatever since we will have lots of free time, but the music by humans will be probably inferior compared to real AI music (if real artificial intelligence is achieved - not hard to imagine AI composing and producing masterpieces on Beethoven etc level faster than you can listen to them). Since the invention of loudspeakers and electronic musical instruments, the demand for musicians lowers with every innovation. Studio gear was expensive, now everyone can have a one in their bedroom etc.
The Suno app is one of the most downloaded ones in music category, so it seems general public has big interest in making music without learning theory and playing skills. At some point the demand for external music will be very low once AI generated stuff becomes consistently better. Why listen to music by other people when your own AI produces exactly what you want?
I can imagine that singers won't die off, but that's only because they get fetishized and serve as pop culture icons. The rest of the industry is gonna get discarded.

 

A.i got nutin to do wid you or me not making sweet $$$ no mo outta our beatz , famous record label execs and owners be now flippin yo favorite takeout burgers at yo local McWhatItsName iphone,google,utube,beatport and a couple of other online beat dealers be makin all the mooney now , u either made it before 10-15 years or now not at all , advertisers promoters and managers that can make u well known and get you lives at venues and yo name firstshow in insta Ads and beatport or iTunes playlistis is your last chance to ever make it in tha music business if u think you got decent music to play

**yo by the ways the sayin "google it" i never liked this ever since is obsolete now fo sure . its "go chatGPT it foo" now

i was asking on famous vsl forum other day ago

tseroto21 " yo folk what the best way to monitor ma beat ? i'd rather use a mono PA soundalike system for example i got 2 rubicon r5a ribbon monitors no subwoof , what to do xcept juzz use one of them two ? mono headphones exist ? alert i burned out one of ma two r5a tryin to play it full volume getting sound from an amped mixer with preamp set to full ,r5a is an active monitor it got already an amp in it ma "

randomuser " go chatgpt it mof0 we aint got tha time to read yo bedtime whining "

so i go on chatgpt and ask fo ways to monitor ma beats fo best use and sound in PA systems like them got at yo local pub bar or ladies dancehouse or club or even massive venues and festivals and stuff

mof0 i aint never gonna be need askin nutin mo bout the subject after our 10-20 minute convo , all them books and quicktips we used to find aint cant even understand most of it, i copy pasted all that info and im now set fo life , good luck to you all too , keep up the musicmaking , chatgpt is tha way to go , no mo school or schooling needed fo most folk , i aint never needed neither eitherways ,

 

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Realphones got all of those venues covered and much more, there's 40 days trial period and you can use it with plenty of headphones, been using it for few years already and at this point I'm pretty confident in results/real world translation, probably just the ticket for your use case.