For how long do you think it will be possible to continue to make money as a music producer before record labels only use productions generated by A.i. ?

 

I don’t think record labels would stoop that low, Timbaland got hella backlash alone for enterprising suno and using AI generated instrumentals. If a record label gets caught, it’s for sure getting clowned on. Either that or it will be debated by the music industry.

 

How can anyone know that? I don't have a crystal ball and can't see into the future.

We're currently experiencing an AI bubble; let's see which companies survive.
There are also several lawsuits pending against some manufacturers; let's see how that turns out.

You can also earn money without record labels right now by either starting your own label or marketing your music yourself.

 

I am evil. I say: Lots and lots of "producers" are since their beginnings obsolet. Not only for labels. But at all.

 

may be...it's a question of taste...but until now, they can make money...

 

it's really hard to earn money by self marketing...
the People wants to listen music on spotify and such...
I'm afraid, for example, that Bandcamp will be bought out by Suno so they can kill it off.

 

Most of the bands I know from my area, where I used to live—I took band photos back then and even did an interview for a small fanzine—were performing before the internet existed. None of them actually earned enough money to make a living.

These bands played many festivals and open-air concerts, and sometimes it was enough to cover gas or loan payments. Some bands even managed to produce an LP or CD-ROM at their own expense.

PAUSE: Then came the internet, the World Wide Web. PAUSE

Now all the musicians missed the opportunity to organize themselves; everyone was on their own. But some companies with capital recognized the potential to make money, and that's how Spotify and others came about.

... Don't be surprised that capitalism continues to ruthlessly exploit them; don't play their game and don't enslave yourself.

Most people will be told to find a legal job to earn a living. Some powerful legislators in our society believe that opera houses and theaters are part of culture and therefore worthy of support. If a theater doesn't earn enough money, it doesn't go bankrupt but receives subsidies from tax revenue.

As a musician, you won't receive any support, and since you're not organized, that will remain the case. In the end, you'll say, "I'll just give my music away...and use my time for more important things than constantly chasing after marketing for a few dollars."

It will probably become even more difficult for professional musicians because money is and will become scarce everywhere. Costs will be cut wherever possible through AI or by streamlining certain departments.

 

Whole heartedly agree. Labels increasingly going into the DIY distro space and now AI, I think it's more important than ever for musicians to organize collectively (we won't) and come up with a deterrent of some sort or overall divestment from the current system.

 

Richie Hawtin had this app for shouting out tracks that were played by DJ-s but it met it´s end, we are passive..

 

Right... State organized musicians with the help of socialist governments created so many great albums.

 

people wont respect A.I. in the arts till something culturally significant is made with it on a mainstream level

currently no one has done that. with labels and a lot of artists who hire producers, the goal is to make a lot of money with music: no A.I. has shown to be able to produce something, that gets results on the level a top producer in the industry gets for an artist and label. on a larger scale, A.I. is still met with general disapproval in the arts, with “A.I. slop” being the name used for most art created by it here in the U.S.. even little things like Tiktok's, you see the comments are mostly negative or people disregarding what it created and instead stating that it's A.I.: which is implying because its A.I. it loses its credibility

so it still needs the social and cultural respect in the arts before we start seeing that. its also going to take a younger generation who is more accustomed to what it creates before we see a large scale replacement in the industry

 

i fully agree with your statement, but i'm afraid that people prefer to scroll on their mobile phone rather than organize to make " culture & art " alive...

 

AI will therefore need to gain societal and cultural acceptance in the art world before we see that. There was once a work of art painted by a monkey. Ask renowned collectors what they thought of it, and they were all enthusiastic.

For example, advertising graphic designers who create advertising posters—AI can do that more cheaply!
And that brings us to the main topic: money and labor costs. Music for advertising—AI can do that more cheaply, too!

If an AI is well-trained, it will replace several million jobs. AI is still in its early stages, and depending on how well it masters its tasks, it will become more successful. If the benefits remain below average, as they have been so far, it will simply take longer for AI to become widespread.

 

With time and a more trained A.I, i'm afraid that we could really recognize a song made by an A.i or a human.
Even for a listener who have a "good culture" and a " good ear"...

 

Another question is how and where will people complain? Write to your radio station and tell them you'll find another station if AI continues to play. Complain wherever you can. Simply say that if AI is played here, you won't visit the restaurant anymore. Write letters to the editor.

 

i don't really see respect for culture, art, knowledge & such at the moment...
Just check the people vote around the globe...
It don't make me feel optimistic.

 

Magazine / March 18, 2024
AI Basics 2: Making Music with Artificial Intelligence

Artificial intelligence has become indispensable in many areas of life.
We answer fundamental questions and offer tips on how musicians can use AI meaningfully and effectively.

Will AI Take My Job?

There is music that AI will likely be able to produce faster and cheaper in the future. This applies particularly to functional music, such as background music in videos and games. A study commissioned by GEMA and SACEM shows that AI could displace 27 percent of royalties for composers and artists within five years.

However, music always has a strong emotional component. The connection to our favorite artists, the goosebumps at a live concert—no AI can replace that. We should therefore accept AI for what it is: a tool! New tools offer inspiration in the creative process, simplify technical tasks such as mastering and post-production, and can relieve us of tedious tasks, such as administrative work. This gives creative professionals the freedom to focus on what matters most.

Furthermore, an AI-based tool is only ever as good as the person giving it instructions. Musical expertise, experience, and creativity are irreplaceable. It requires experts who can write good prompts and evaluate, curate, and improve the generated results. AI is therefore primarily a help for those who are already well-versed in their field.

Which AI tools can support me today?

There are various providers on the market that help with many processes involved in music creation.
It's worth researching suitable tools in these areas:

• Songwriting/Ideation
• Lyrics
• Audio Synthesis
• Audio Transcription
• Mixing/Mastering
• Source Separation
• Notation
• Sound Engineering

Who owns the copyright to an AI-generated song?

German copyright law only protects works created by humans. A purely AI-generated song would therefore not be protected by copyright. In practice, however, there is often an interaction between humans and AI. This means that the creator uses AI as a tool but makes the creative decisions themselves, for example, developing the concept, writing prompts, or curating the AI's output. If the human creative contribution is high enough in a particular case, the resulting work can be protected by copyright just like a song written without AI support.

Are AI providers allowed to use my music to train their models?

If you are a GEMA member: no. While training systems (so-called text and data mining) with copyrighted content is generally permitted in Germany, the copyright holder can declare a reservation of rights. GEMA has done this across the board for all its members. Kai Welp from GEMA's legal department explains the legal situation in detail here. To ensure we know which data AI providers use for training, GEMA is advocating for transparency regulations at the political level.

How does GEMA use music tools?

One example where AI significantly facilitates GEMA's work is KIM. The abbreviation stands for "Artificial Intelligence Music Recognition." This monitoring system uses AI to recognize live music, creates corresponding setlists, and transfers them to GEMA's systems. The tool was successfully deployed at major festivals in 2023.

Source: /www.gema.de/de/w/musik-machen-mit-ki