Elephant In The Room

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  1. ItsFine

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    I seen even more funny things.
    Like ppl asking 75 dollars for a pack without a single audio demo.
     
  2. naitguy

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    Olly James is Aly James' top secret artist name
     
  3. saccamano

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    Was thinking exactly the same thing about this "Andi Vax" moniker the other day. What the fuck is an "Andi Vax" and why the hell should I care what presets/samples it uses? Personally I think all these "names" thrown around are just tactics used by marketing morons to try and sell more redundant "presets" and sample packs. And even if not, I could care less what presets/samples they use. I never use the stuff but a good 90-95% of the junk released to the scene is comprised of this stuff.
     
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  4. PAskaperse

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    I thought elephant in the room was Suno, who the fuck is 'Olly James?
     
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  5. PAskaperse

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    I think its Only James in this room
     
  6. Stevie Dude

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    I understand about the name, it's a hard one to come by, you try this and that but if you're lucky one will hit, but I don't think anyone or anything had ever get to Vol. 45. It's simple in the sample pack business (I think), the first one blew up, you come up with Vol. 2 then you get greedy and release Vol. 3 or 4 or 5 until nobody cares until you think it's time to reset and come back with another series. 45 volumes of your signature sounds ? That's like not having a signature sound at all isn't it.
     
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  7. scguy83

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    I am a smaple pack collector lol they just got on my exteran and hardly ever even listen to them :rofl:. Who makes the best sample packs? Apparently it's Ghosthack?
     
  8. Synclavier

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    Sample and patch pushers want their slice of fame before they’ve even figured out what their signature sound is
    They are even selling patchets for EQs
     
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  9. BlackHawk

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    So 90% (felt) of all sample packs are complete and utter garbage. Me thinks that someone takes some sounds, fiddles mindlessly a l little bit with them, repacks the sh1t and tries to sell it. Lots of these sound as if this is done with batching whole libraries through Ozone or similar. Rename them and done. Characterless stale sounds, but sorted. BS. If you listen to packs with e.g. Venus Theory as the name on it, you hear the difference immediately to these batched and botched libraries. (Not my cup of tea, at least these sounds are genuine.)

    Result is: I listen to a demo, find 1% interesting. No demo -> trash. The last incoming in the field of BS are the packs/VSTs from Studio Trap. Sounds like they have reworked some 2010 mediocre hiphop libraries with 12k samplerate ... I am not a trap guy, but this is real bullsh1t. It's simply primitive and bad. All in all I am less and less interested in sample libraries. Some days ago I have used Hypersonic 2 and was absolutely baffeled what sounds are in there. blows nearly all of "modern" libraries out of the water. Ah, one more thing: if something is labeled "granular" or "grain" I am out ... who invented that idiocy? Sound like a broken toilet ... and smells like it.

    /end of rant
     
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  10. clone

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    Andi Vax has been creating synth presets to share (or sell,idk) since at least 2007 and some are pretty nice. He's been doing music for quite some time at least. All those packs are probably the result of just rounding up a bunch of stuff he made over a good period of time.
    I've never heard any of his music that I'm aware of, but I can say the same thing about 99% of stuff out there.

    There are many grammy-winning "producers" of this kind who couldn't tell you the difference between a 1076 and an 1178. It also depends on the genre, and individual producers; but a lot of producers don't play anything at all. It's funny but the same people who would cast the first stones saying electronic music is the easiest to "produce" when the genres those people listen to have the least hands-on producer work on the projects,songs,records ,etc. I asked AI about hands-on producer involvement, but if anyone wants "more accurate numbers" they can waste their time and go dig those up. I think the numbers would be close enough to illustrate the point::

    Metal: about 20 to 30 percent.
    Hard Rock: about 15 to 25 percent.
    Punk: about 10 to 20 percent, mostly quick fixes or simple overdubs.
    Classic Rock: about 20 to 30 percent, especially older producers who were musicians.
    Alternative / Indie Rock: about 25 to 40 percent.
    Pop: about 60 to 80 percent. A lot of “producers” are actually multi-instrumentalist track builders.
    Hip Hop: about 70 to 90 percent. Beatmakers are usually playing or programming every musical element.
    EDM: about 95 to 100 percent. Nearly all production is built directly by the producer.
    Country (modern Nashville): about 10 to 20 percent. Live session players do almost everything.
    Country (pop-country producers like Dann Huff): 30 to 50 percent, mostly guitars or keys.
    R&B: about 40 to 60 percent. Depends on whether the producer is a musician or a track-based programmer.
    Singer-songwriter / Folk: about 10 to 20 percent. Producers mostly guide live players.
    Jazz: nearly zero. Session players do all performance.
    Orchestral / Film scoring: close to zero in live orchestral settings, but 40 to 60 percent for hybrid electronic scores.
    Electronic Industrial / Darkwave: about 70 to 100 percent. Very producer-driven.
    Reggae / Dub: about 40 to 60 percent, especially in dub where producers often play keys, bass lines, or FX.
    Latin pop: about 40 to 60 percent. Similar to mainstream pop.
     
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    Aren't those people who don't want to vaccinate themselves? Oh, wait...
     
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  12. AstralDis

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    In 1947, Dennis Gabor introduced the idea that sounds can be represented by a series of elementary "grains," each grain being a short pulse containing both temporal and frequency information. Greek composer Iannis Xenakis is known as the inventor of the granular synthesis technique, having expanded upon Gabor's theoretical foundation.
     
  13. Synclavier

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    nah I’ve noticed it more than once. He shovels out presets for plugins that are barely a week old and spams about them across every forum. could only imagine the quality. "Ride the hype wave and sell you shit before anyone even cares" strategy
     
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    I respect this guy's hustle. I didn't know about him until it showed up on sister site. I browsed the demos and they sound like productions out of Nexus and Avenger. There is certainly a market for such sample packs. The music sounds good for the dance/party environment. As a sound designer also can't knock the speed at which someone can make good presets for a new product and hustle to the market. You'd do it if it funded your preferred lifestyle and customers enjoy it.

    We've had real hacks here in the past (and probably present) pushing someone's content/product as their own. Unless Olly is reselling someone else's work (I don't thinkg), I respect the craft, business acumen, and consistency to put out so many volumes.
     
  15. saccamano

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    Long time ago I checked out a few "sample packs" at random - what I found was startling. Out of two separate rando packs of "kit drum samples" (kept the genre of stuff the same on purpose) each about 150-200 .WAV files in size, 90-95% of the stuff in either pack was virtually the same... These things were not cheap (IMO) either - prices ranging from 55-70$ each.

    As far as presets go (especially audio processor presets as opposed to synth/instrument ones) - one could churn out thousands of those things over the course of a week or two, most of them being a single knob turn away from each other and the market would just accept it as "ooh more presets for xyz vst, aax, au, etc"...

    Why there is SO MUCH of this stuff saturating an over saturated market each min of every hour of every day is mind boggling...
     
  16. Synclavier

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    Couldn’t agree more Now imagine how much worse it’ll be when all these generic content pushers adopt generative AI if they haven’t already.
     
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    I don't even know who the fuck I am.
     
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  18. Margaret

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    You have the impudence to expect the audio demo?!
    You should be grateful that autor with grace farted out precious samples for you unworthy pleb!
    At this ridiculously low price you should blindly deliver cash to the artist in your teeth, lick his ass and praise how wonderful and gracious he is that he deigned to give you those wonderfuly miraclousy farted out from angel vagina sounds!
     
  19. shinyzen

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    i think all of his are associated with remixes, bootlegs, and originals that he's done. Each "Vol" is comprised of sounds, presets, midis, loops of that particular release.
     
  20. Somnambulist

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    Perspective:

    Imagine you 'think' you have found something new. Who is going to buy it? - without marketing, nobody because nobody knows it is out there.
    So you put your name on it, be it Rob Papen or Joe Bloggs. You may even add a signature to the pack name.

    Who is going to market you with the way streaming, merchandise, publishing and everything works in 2025? - Fucking NOBODY. You have to do it yourself.

    Who is going to buy it? The people who will use it. Who will crap on it? Probably more than is healthy, which explains why the music industry has not existed except in its current form for well and truly over twenty years. You want something done, this century you DEFINITELY have to do it yourself. So I encourage every musician to do something for themselves, and I would not know Olly James if he bumped into me. Good on him, go make music people. At this rate with A.I. you may not have as long as you might think.
    As you all were...
     
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