I've switched to Linux, so you could too!

Discussion in 'Linux' started by mitori, Oct 30, 2025 at 3:52 PM.

  1. midi-man

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    Maybe if enough people didn't buy the MS hype and pushed more companies to endorse Linux this would change.
    MS is BS hype you pay for a licensee, now with win 11 a 3 to 4 year old system is e waste, all because ms has tried and tried to secure there OS to no avail ( legal install Yes I know there are back doors to installing it).

    Windows will never be more secure than Linux or Mac. Mac is based on Unix with a fancy GUI stuck on it.

    Linux is not BS, MS is BS!!!
     
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  2. clone

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    Windows is still targeted more, but Android is targeted even more than Windows in 2025. A large share of the classic, clueless “click-anything” type Windows users from days gone by don’t even use desktop computers anymore. They barely needed them before. Now, they go to work and get hacked there, or at least try their best to. That’s why we still see so many enterprises, meaning, businesses and other larger organizations; end up crypto-locked by ransomware groups.

    The largest percentage of actual malware is still delivered by email. It stands to reason that corporate Windows users with constant push from Exchange to their Outlook, GroupWise, or whatever email client are the ones clicking the most frequently.

    Linux and Unix systems are targeted more frequently than Macs—but primarily because they represent servers, not “Johnny over in accounting.”

    The biggest vulnerability on any system will always be the users; and the newest ones among them. You can’t put the Red Team up against the Baby Blue Team and expect a different result. You have to remember that Mac, Linux, and Unix are far less frequently the targets of hired external penetration testers to audit systems. Most vulnerabilities even found are far beyond what is ever seen in the wild by common users and even small organizations and businesses. They are worst case scenarios.
     
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  3. smoked_soul

    smoked_soul Ultrasonic

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    I can smell something like Microsoft will bring back Windows XP and launch under the name "Windows eXPerience" to stop people switching to another OS.
    Not only that, Microsoft will stop adding too much bloatware.
    Windows 11 has a short life.

    Just have a bit of patience.
     
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  4. Friendelek

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    Do you think Microsoft is very concerned about the negative publicity surrounding them? Their money comes primarily from corporate sales. They also sell advertising in their products very successfully. In the desktop segment, they currently have no competitors. The situation is different, for example, in the field of portable consoles. After their Windows-based Xbox began to lose ground to Linux-based consoles, they started to get off their asses to somehow satisfy potential gamer buyers.
     
  5. clone

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    That's a wishful prediction but unfortunately not reality. They were stuck keeping the corpse of Vista around for 8 years after everyone knew it was effectively dead. They can't just pull a release. Instead it was waterskiing like Weekend At Bernies for way longer than even they actually wanted. They have lost only 5% market share to MacOS in the past 5 or so years; and that has been mostly driven by cheap and very capable Mac Minis for normal desktop users. They haven't really done anything in reaction to that, so what do you think they are going to do about whatever market share they lose to Linux for desktops? They will notice it, but they've been hearing that same thing for 20 years. How much have they done about it so far?
     
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  6. ptepper

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    Yes, the distro is called Asahi Linux. I have it as dual boot on my M1 MBP and it's been my production machine for the past two and a half years.

    Stable, reliable, absolutely silent. Love it.

    Severely limited in terms of native Linux plugins and DAWs compared to standard Linux.

    No Wine, so no Windows plugins either. I hadn't used them for years on standard Linux anyway.

    Even so, the available firepower is insane, realistically, and especially compared to my analog days, when a lot of good music was made.

    What I'm doing is entirely based on software synths and samplers, no singer/songwriter demos with a couple of mics.

    So it's been a sort of epiphany, the question everyone has to face sooner or later. How much do I really need?
     
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  7. midi-man

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    Wow GroupWise that is one from the history books. Yes servers get attacked all the time ( which more are UNix or Linux ) . What people don't understand is that over half the stuff they are running is Linux in there homes. Windows might be running on everyone desktop or laptop. But the sheer numbers of Linux devices are way more.
     
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    I've done my calculations yesterday, and the only thing that runs Windows in my home (as a dual-boot) is my old Thinkpad lappy with Firewire that I use generally for controlling my TC StudioKonnekt48. :wink: and for testing Windows 10 programs and plugins.

    Router, Switcher, Access Point, Media Player, Smart Watches, Smart Phones, Desktop, NAS, Laptops (even my MacBook Pro is essentially FreeBSD/Unix), and servers we connect to - all Linux/Unix. :wink:

    I'll never own a Smart-TV, because I hate TV, and "Smart" TVs are ridden with corporate malware, too, so I just use a little PI computer ("media player") with Debian and Kodi for "TV". Cheap, works great, and does exactly what I want it to do. :wink:

    p.s. Incidentally, I had to re-install my Debian 12 today. It's because I finally decided to use a GPT partition for booting from my new NVMe (Crucial T500 1TB instead of MX500 M.2 SATA 256GB) and I had it installed on a MBR partition so far. I failed to make it boot from a GPT partition (you have to reinstall GRUB when changing from MBR to GPT bootdisk), but it's not a big deal to reinstall Linux and I had it working with most personal adjustments within hours. Still, I'm a bit sad. :sad: 11 years... feels like losing an old friend. On the other hand it feels very interesting adjusting the fresh system to look and work like the old one. I forgot heaps of stuff. It feels great refreshing your memory. :yes: I'm surprised by how much less I've got to do now as opposed to what I had to do 11 years ago, to make it mine and work for audio properly. It recognised my RME 9652 as soon as I booted the first time and all I had to do is install the RME Mixer for it. The Intel GPU also worked without any tearing and smooth, without having to edit any /etc/X11/xorg.conf. wow. Paint me very pleasantly surprised.:wink:
     
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  9. slowpoke

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    I was a Unix and SUSE admin for 7 years. HP-UX, Solaris, Irix. Great for enterprise but what a ballache for client. At home I prefer Windows and Mac, in that order. I'm grateful that I can work under the hood of Android and Linux devices but I just love Windows. Don't let people tell you you're on the wrong OS. Most Linux advocates are just flexing.
     
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  10. SineWave

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    Maybe you just don't like to mix business with pleasure kinda thing and bring your work home. :yes: :wink:

    Admitedly, I would maybe still use Windows if I wasn't so annoyed by its uncustomisable and confusing UI, bloated software, corporate malware, spyware, having to fight the OS that's supposed to be made for me for years. I just couldn't make it work simply and the way I wanted it anymore. I was ultimately annoyed by having to disable and change so many things to make it work for me, kinda. :sad: Compared to editing a few *.conf files by hand, it started to look like hell (W7 onwards) to me. I just like to use the OS and my tools, have it out of my way and my mind while using those tools, not be used by it. :wink:

    Linux brought peace and freedom to me, and it looks like I'm not the only one who thinks like this. :wink: Cheers! :cheers:
     
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  11. ziked

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    Microsoft will not improve the experience for the end user. That's a joke! I have been reporting bugs since Vista, and only receive radio silence, or a "thanks, we sent to the team" message, and those bugs remain for years after, then new bugs come in later updates.

    As mentioned before, they do not care. They have their own interests, and they have their own ideas for how their users should use their products, specifically in ways that benefit them. If you can turn these ruins of cracked windows into a home, I salute you, but everybody has their limit.

    I got no problem compromising on random Linux software like Rosegarden, if it means freeing myself from this insanity. Notes are notes, I am just a composer. I use my (Win10) machine like a server (24/7 uptime) and yet there's a kernel bug introduced some time after 2018 that causes some sort of stack overflow, after too much uptime, that they'll not ever fix because AI is more important. But it causes many applications to break, like Firefox. No pages load. Brave? Downloads finish but never actually say it's finished. If I cancel the download, the file deletes itself, so I have to move/rename the file to finish the download by cancelling. Only solution is to reboot. I am done with it. I've tried every Windows ISO variant and tool under the sun. This Titanic is sinking.

    I do not even use a modern version of my DAW, because they remove old plugins, old features, and then they add AI chatbots to it, certainly not powerful enough to bring me back my old plugins. I have nothing to lose at this point.

    In fact, staying on Windows, particularly if you refuse updates and conformity, means you must use it as an offline machine. Newer software tends to refuse to support "unsupported old versions" of Windows. At that point you might as well dual boot, and merely daily drive your forum-browsing activities on a secure OS that doesn't fuck with you with useless forced updates and bloat, then switch to an old offline Atari ST, Amiga, Windows 7, Windows 10 install for creative uses and retro gaming (as if modern anything presents you with anything you will ever miss out on). Nothing wrong with that, keep the past in the past.
     
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  12. midi-man

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    And what can you do surfing the Internet and checking e mail better on windows that Linux.
    Nothing. I know one thing I can't tell you when was the last time my Linux internet client need a malware scan or got a virus.
     
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  13. midi-man

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    People forget how much Linux they use in there daily life. I am using a Roku TV cut the cord a few months ago.
    Not saying I love the sharing of my info with the Roku TV but I am saving a lot of $.
     
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    How could you even tell? Oh, right because linux is impervious to virus/malware.. Forgot... sorry... :rofl:
     
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    Hate to break it ya but windows servers have never been known for their uptime. Worked in more than a few datacenters where windows servers were in need of rebooting every couple of days due to random stupid stuff locking them up. There were SunOS & HP UNIX servers that ran flawlessly for years until a fan failed or some other hardware malfunction happened to them. Repair the hardware, reboot them and they were good to go until the next time a piece of hardware failed (years?)...

    On my home domain I have 3 older win servers - a PDC (2003 server), a comm multi-purpose (enterprise 2003), and a media server (2008 ent) all on 24/7 that run months without needing reboots or unless a piece of hardware fails. These are all specialized usage machines and are not being taxed heavily.
     
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    Just because someone fails doesn’t mean others can’t succeed. You used to be all about Acustica bloatware, if I remember correctly, but you radically changed your mind later and are now against it. People can be wrong — maybe some of your assumptions about Linux are off too?
     
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  17. ItsFine

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    Let them loose their time and energy ... it seems they like to loose countless hours trying to mimic something working in seconds on OSX or Win.
    Like installing layers of sh*t to emulate Windows ... but still hating it :rofl:

    I stopped arguing with them, because it is a sect :bleh:
     
  18. mitori

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    and yet you're here... why?
     
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    He's here solely to disrupt discussions and sandbagging. As always.
     
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  20. midi-man

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    It's not impervious but it sure doesn't get infected. SO far that is.
     
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