Hum, you can dislike ableton it's you're right, but this statement is not true. I can modulate everything i want, in the way i want only with the stock tools. And if i add M4L modulations tools in balance, it can be done in a very creative way.

For my part, i have used it more than 10 years ago but i don't like FL Studio. The workflow is a mess and the interface looks like a fisher price toy for me.

 

Going to leave this here and bounce. There's a lot of features I don't even use or have ever attempted to learn in Ableton

 

The software isn't the problem. It's how we utilize them that causes the likes or dislikes (which is usually not taken into account).

 

Native Instruments Kontakt - the user interface makes no sense and recycled truckloads of samples with fancy graphical interface slapped on top of them are merely a buyer hype thing

I could also bash on ProTools as always, but frankly many of its core principles aren't that terrible, it just fell behind anyone else throughout years

 

I despise ProTools, even though I know has been solid for vocal recording and mixing. I think would get more respect and trust if they didn't try to push it as the "music production" solution, but rather the "recording" solution. They are still going to remain established because of the integration with (and success of) Avid Media Composer, the failure of Steinberg to make Nuendo attractive to mainstream, and the lack of interest Apple has in fusing Logic and Final Cut like Black Magic does with Davinci Resolve and Fairlight.

 

Is that sale still going? I don’t really understand it and I’m wondering if you got modo bass as part of the deal, I didn’t want to spend my money till I knew 100% what was going to happen and if it’d work

 

I also hate FabFilter now and can’t stand FL Studio anymore. I bought the entire FabFilter line but sold it quite a while ago. Kontakt is so annoying to use that I ignore everything that requires it, even if I like the sounds. I also hate Reaktor, everything that acts as a wrapper annoys me. Most Max for Live devices have such terrible performance that I stopped using them entirely back when I was still using Ableton.

 

Officially, both the Plugin Boutique sale and IK Multimedia Group Buy run until October 31st, 2025.
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2025/10/21/ik-multimedia-group-buy-2025

Deal ends tomorrow at 11:59 PM

IK Multimedia Group Buy (AU, VST, AAX, DAW) 2025
49,99€
Verfügbar bei IK MULTIMEDIA
https://www.mydealz.de/deals/ik-multimedia-group-buy-2025-2640969

Free buys (expansions, upgrades) for the following software are included:

• TONEX
• AmpliTube 5
• T-RackS 6
• Pianoverse
• MODO BASS
• MODO DRUM
• SampleTank 4
• Miroslav Philharmonik 2
• Hammond B-3X
• ARC X

More Infos: www.ikmultimedia.com/allingb2025

 

I wanna Hypersonic 2 full exp total revamped x64, I love it

 

I honestly think most people who hate on Pro-R 2 either have no idea how to use the plugin or never bothered to read the manual. I used to be like that myself until I was forced to use it. Fast forward a couple of months, and now it’s my bread-and-butter reverb.

 

No - be VERY careful with this "deal". Many people got screwed.

https://youtube.com/shorts/wlfdS4bBF6s

 

Yeah, I kinda hate IK Multimedia how their plugin resources all crammed into one phat monolith



But really, I can’t stand United Plugins with their is pure gimmicky, skeuomorphic nonsense interfaces, like their motto is: “We must look more like real hardware than it actually is, no matter how senseless.”

 

Interesting. I mean, what could one possibly do wrong using a reverb, if you have lots of experience with using various reverb plugins and have no problem dialing in a decent sound with them? When I trialed Pro R2 it was not that I felt like I did not know how to use it, but rather the issue was that the core sound of it left me quite underwhelmed compared to my expectations (I regard Fabfilter as an industy leading plugin developer).

The convolution option, for which I inquired the manual, created results that were very different from the sound of the original IRs. I compared it one to one and it was miles off. Sure, similar length and decay times, maybe even similar frequency distribution, but miles off in overall timbre. Hence I'm saying: you can get much more authentic sounding room reverb using freely supplied room capture IRs and a free convolution engine. Sure they are static, but there are ways to counteract that too.

 

FabFilter Pro-R is an algorithmic reverb plugin.
Was not FabFilter's best idea: Impulse response (IR) import, @Haze, you've already correctly identified that this function doesn't deliver the desired results, but it is an algorithmic reverb. If I need IRs/convolution reverb, I use a corresponding convolution reverb plugin.

I use the Pro-R every day and it replaced the Waves H-Reverb Hybrid. I'm very satisfied.

SOS wrote:
If you’re looking for exact recreations of vintage plates, springs or lo-fi digital verbs, this probably isn’t the plug-in for you.

 

Ableton Live - I have gone back to this DAW so many times but it just doesnt work for me, now I will be totally honest this is a ME thing not an Ableton thing. I have seen so many video of people doing amazing things but for me it just doesnt gel.

Safari Pedals - Too much like toys

Kontakt - Always a hassle trying to load libraries

Impact Soundworks Super Audio Cart Complete - There are known crackling artifacts in the PWM audio samples and although IS are aware of the issue they never fixed it.

Melda Productions - Really dont like any of the GUI's

FL Studio - Just dont like the work flow, although I do always keep it up to date.

 

Funny, I've seen (almost) every piece of software cited here used to perfection by musicians I respect (not necessarily like, but respect).

Au5 does insane sound design with Serum.

Infected Mushroom did absolute bangers with Omnisphere.

The Flashbulb wrote some of the most beautiful music I've heard in my life with FL.

Aphex Twin revolutionized music using stuff we wouldn't look at if they gave us money to spend some time with.

Burial re-revolutionized music using software that looks neanderthal compared to what was available at the time.


Personally I don't give a crap anymore about any of this stuff lol. I don't particularly care for Waves or UAD, but if they were the only tools available, I guess I'd use them.

 

Instead of using round buttons, he opted for horizontal sliders.
I believe the developer meant well, but I too ultimately decided against Melda and deleted her excellent plugins.

I replaced Kontakt with UVI Falcon.

The biggest mistake I made was buying LANDR Audio - LANDR Synth X v1.0.0 VST3 for €49.50. The sound is so bad that I first wondered if the manufacturer had a hearing problem, and secondly, I will never have anything to do with LANDR again. How can you sell something without a return policy? I hope LANDR did something worthwhile with my €49.50.

 

I absolutely agree with that. Pro-R is designed for the transparent sense of space, and while it does lose to convolution, it's an algorithmic plugin with all the flexibility and then some. If you use it for long lush tails then yeah you're going to get disappointed. If you're a mixing engineer tho, and your goal is to recreate the sence of a certain place you don't have IRs of and maybe automate it - you're going to swear by this thing.
I also didn't come to this conclusion immediately LOL, took me about 4 years of professional practice and getting frustrated with breverbs and vahalalalha.

I mean, the thread is about unpopular opinions, so you're gonna see that.
UAD doesn't count BTW, it's not even controversial to say it's mediocre.