About being an authentic ARTIST!

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  1. Kookaboo

    Kookaboo Rock Star

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    Fritz Scholder - Native American Artist

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    Wise words & thoughts!
    Fitting also well to musicians, composers.
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  3. manducator

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    Maybe these are wise words. But, 'you must block all that out'... Isn't art related to life and people? Art is influenced by society and life. In many (even all) cases, the ideas for art arises from what we see, feel and hear.

    How many painters are inspired by what they see? Art is part of life, it can't be seen as a separate entity.

    Art is an expression. If art is used for advertisement and commercial, I guess it isn't art anymore. Or it isn't used because it was art.
     
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    10cc said it a long time ago. https://myspace.com/tencc/music/song/art-for-art-s-sake-128146-188289
     
  5. Kookaboo

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    What he means is: You have to block out the outside world when you're in the process of creation or when you're taking your decisions on how to represent your creation. In other words: you only have to decide what you like and do what you like!
     
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    I'm 21 now, but i already lived enough "social and human" moments in my life to have the best of all worlds.
    Since a month ago i live in the woods on a high hill which is also surrounded by even higher woods which blocks the distant view (but in a good way) and i feel so safe and calm in this type of realm. I have internet, electricity and everything i need, the nearest city is not that far though but it's just so great and i get so inspired just by the things and beautiful nature around me. I smell the fresh acacia and linden smell which soothes my brain every morning i open up my window.
    I don't have any girlfriend and also my family (and it's members) never calls me, maybe my sister once a year(if i'm lucky) just to see if i'm still alive. -_-

    I was prepared and "scheduled" to move in Czech Republic last month to set up a studio with some so-called producers friends, but i've got betrayed and i had to abort the idea. :(

    But who cares? Does my "solo" status stops me from expressing my artistic ideas? No!

    Art is not influenced by society (or by life, i don't understand exactly what you mean with that) but you don't need society to express yourself as an artist.
    Think about all the greatest artists which some of them even lived in a isolated place far away from the "social" abundance and they still did exquisite art.

    As long as you know what you're doing, does it really matter where you are or the society-related things? If you have nature around, you can be even the only guy in the world, because you're still able to create your art.
     
  7. jennyblack

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    The artist is the creator of beautiful things. To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.

    The highest as the lowest form of criticism is a mode of autobiography. Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming. This is a fault.

    Those who find beautiful meanings in beautiful things are the cultivated. For these there is hope. They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only beauty.

    There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.

    The nineteenth century dislike of realism is the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in a glass.

    The nineteenth century dislike of romanticism is the rage of Caliban not seeing his own face in a glass. The moral life of man forms part of the subject-matter of the artist, but the morality of art consists in the perfect use of an imperfect medium. No artist desires to prove anything. Even things that are true can be proved. No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style. No artist is ever morbid. The artist can express everything. Thought and language are to the artist instruments of an art. Vice and virtue are to the artist materials for an art. From the point of view of form, the type of all the arts is the art of the musician. From the point of view of feeling, the actor's craft is the type. All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital. When critics disagree, the artist is in accord with himself. We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely.

    All art is quite useless.

    Oscar Wilde's Preface to The Picture of Dorian Gray
     
  8. thisis theend

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    My favorite words about this subject, by Charles Bukowski:

    "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start.
    This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, jobs and maybe even your mind.
    It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail.
    It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation.
    Isolation is the gift.
    All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it.
    And you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine.
    If you're going to try, go all the way.
    There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire.
    You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is."


    That's exactly how I feel when I'm in the zone, workin on a track that feels really good.
    Nothing else like it and I could happily stay in that 'bubble' forever.
    Unfortunately I'm not ready to go all the way ATM. But I've been thinkin a lot about it lately…
     
  9. Demon

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    Wow, Evorax. It sounds like your environment is awesome. Mate, post some photos of the area please! I think it would be inspirational for us all.

    I am moving house hopefully very soon. Setting up a home-studio in the basement. Can't wait.
     
  10. BChrist

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    These days most "Artists" SHOULD destroy their work before it leaves the studio.
     
  11. Think Kafka sitting at his desk in a tiny room and expanding, filling up the volumic space and then some.
     
  12. BigEmptySky

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    Thanks Kookaboo, true wisdom and nice link, I read all four pages.

    Fritz Scholder is very wise!!!

    I like "First of all, I believe in paying one's dues. I did all kinds of different jobs." --- I had to chuckle on that one, oh so true.

    Oh this too: Fritz Scholder: I've never had any fear about the work, simply because I give thanks every day that I've been able to take my craziness and make it work for me. And I'm completely crazy. I'm so intense that I am out, all the time, somewhere else. And I had to learn to communicate, to act calm, because if I couldn't paint, I would be on the streets shooting people.

    But this one truly hits the mark: "It doesn't matter what that mark looks like. If you have to make that mark, if you have the integrity, the audacity, to try for the greatest luxury that a human being has, of doing exactly what you want to do, when you want to do it, and not care what anyone thinks. And being able to stand next to that painting when it's done and saying, I did this. Knowing that some people will laugh, some people will criticize, but some people might be on your wavelength. Those are the people you're interested in, after yourself. Because it has to be completely for yourself, and then you put it out there."

    Fritz Scholder a wise man indeed!!!

    Edit: I would recommend folks look at that whole web site. There are so many things there that are very useful for musicians.
     
  13. remix

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    no man is an island...
     
  14. Kookaboo

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    :mates: You're welcome BigEmptySky. :wink:

    @ remix (no man is an island...)
    As artist you have to be a "temporary Island" from time to time, if you want to dive in deep into the act of creation. Look for instance @ nature; nearly everything gets created in silence, hidden away from peeping eyes! The best human creations have been made in that sort of "monastic" silence, where nobody disturbed the Authors, Painters, Writers, Photographers etc…
     
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