Hello, with this post I want to share my observations about the software we use every day. There are many things that are absolutely wrongly done. If you ask me why this is so, my answer would be because all programs are made by programmers. They do not have the knowledge that a person who has undergone proper musical training has. And what's worse is that they don't even consult the people who have it.

If you try to say or ask for a fix on the forums, the usual answer is that the software in question has millions of users and if there was a problem, someone would have noticed. After extensive communication with such people on the forums, my observations are that such users are even more deluded and have no idea what they are talking about even more. Let's get to the topic.

Pan knobs and pan lows:

In many of the programs, these relationships are totally wrong. The ideal scenario is when they lead to absolutely no changes in volume, but as I will explain, this is far from the case in most programs. The only thing that should change the volume of a track is the volume fader itself, as we turn off equalizers and compressors of coerce.

Why pan nobs are wrong made:

In ideal mixing scenario lest say that i have mono bass guitar track and mono guitar track. Lest say that i mix them, have a good balance and at some point i need to pan one of them lest say 40 % left. If i work in Reaper on 0 lan law like its the default setting when i touch the pan fader there will be volume drop most of you will say " use you are ears " and readjust the balance. Sure i can try to do that but its just unnecessary complication and not to mention that the perception of loudness will be not the same as the 2 tracks are not anymore in the same space. And all this work is just for 2 tracks imagine that u must mix 100 mono tracks imagine how much times u must readjust the balance again if u touch the pan knobs on most of them. There are lot more downsides of mixing on 0 db pan laws but i will stop here for know.

Ideal scenarios and in which program u just cant mix normal because of this:

Where u cant and why :

Cubase - professional audio bla bla next time. There is a project setting that says equal balance but at the moment that u send something via aux/group bus its loader at the center again... no matter on what pan low u are working. Bad very bad. Second critic there why the build in mixer still exist its useless u have 2 eqs there one before and one after the compressor but they control both just 4 band in the build in eq. Remove it no one is using it anyway.

Reaper - Here its doable but with a lot of work so much work that in some moment u can forgot that u are mixing and just start tinkering the program. First step project pan law -3 second step every time u route something to a bus u must make manually the bus to 0 pan law again. If u dont its and u have lets say folder in folder in folder its -3 + -3 + -3 lower volume in the center. Again very very bad. Just give the people true mono track with just one channel of audio not 2 and bus tracks that dont touch the pan laws just sum the signals. Programmers...

Cakewalk Next - 0 db pan law for default no way to change it. Bad very bad. Only stereo tracks again like in reaper ...

Studio one - there is a plugin that can change the pan laws i experiment a bit with it but i am not 100 % that u can mix there with no problems at all. Not to mention that the gui is crazy stupid at the moments. I dont want to open my plugins with 2 clicks i dont like fast access to some of there futures. I want to be able to move my bus tracks what ever i want to.

Harrison mixbus - again bad pan laws ...

Bitwig -same as studio one plugin for pan laws kinda shady that its doing

The only 2 pieces of software that are actually made in a good way :

Pro tools - yes bad company i am not a fan boy but there is 0 critic that i can make against them audio related

Ardour- sadly just for linux windows and mac versions are paid - excellent pan laws by default. You can group send make buses all day 0 changes. Too bad that there are not many plugins makers for linux most i am missing saturators amp sims and kontakt like vsts.

How to test all of this in you are Daw:
Make mono track put signal generator on it put loudness analyzer on the master and watch the rms or loadness -m ( momentary ) When u pan 100 % left or ride and in center the numbers must be the same all day long. Second step if there is no change congrats you are working on the most appropriate settings but dont start to be happy route the mono track to a bus/aux/folder track and watch the numbers again when panning if they not change - good you are daw is fine if they change just do like me delete them all !

 

Today he signed up and this is his first post. Is that you, Foster?
Rarely have I read such nonsense!

 

Last edited: Oct 21, 2025 at 9:09 AM

Do you know why it's "pan laws", plural? Until you figure that out I'd recommend staying silent in your ignorance.

 

You didnt mention Ableton, which obviously means that Ableton has the number 1 panning law.

 

Pan laws! King rules!

 

Welcome to the forum!

Just set the pan law to your needs in DAW settings.

No question is a wrong question here, feel the freedom of audiosex, a forum where users do sex with audio.

A place where all the inputs are good holes for your outputs.

 

This is mainly a DAWless jam forum, so nobody will disagree with you on that one.

I personally sequence my electronic drums using collarbones from dead babies buried in Baltimore projects.

 

Maybe empty your bedpan instead of drinking it?

 

They did suck until at least Reaper finally kicked off the "VCA GROUP" automation train where everyone under the sun then rushed to add it to almost all Daw's.

This was once an exclusive "Protools" thing.

 

Last edited: Oct 21, 2025 at 3:58 PM

RTFM.


And you are unequivocally wrong, the Channel EQ is used overwhelmingly.

 

You can set pan law defaults for Reaper in File -> Project settings -> Advanced > Set as default for projects

 

Real G's are pan on real consoles.

 

You chose the wrong section; you should have posted here: https://audiosex.pro/forums/humor.66/

 

I have nothing to do with any of those other users or their alias accounts. I gave technician1 some files, but usually I gave Olymoon anything to have shared. He put so much effort into getting everything perfect to release. As for women, most of the oddball female avatared alias accounts like Kate I just assume are Roject's crazy new iterations. Lieglein is someone else entirely, who writes very short posts that tell you only that you don't know what you are doing. Maybe he has other accounts that say more. Who knows.

On most forums, the only useful reason to create all these extra user accounts is to screw with the moderators. On this forum, for some reason; people think it is a good look to hide behind random usernames, such as yours. I only have one username on this forum, and one for Audioz.

Every forum has some "smart" user such as yourself with user names like "observer", "The Voice of Reason" or "TheTruth", or whatever other moronic things people come up with. It's because they are signaling a psychological need for authority or validation in discussions, especially in argumentative or opinion-heavy spaces like forums. Or just to hide the obvious fact that namedropping people who ever actually did anything, is just an attempt to establish some other unearned credibility. You: " Radium were the best crackers ever!". Meaningless scene hero-making because you maybe weren't even around. It is a psychological blend of status signaling and ego identity construction via other people's activities. You've probably even included yourself in the list, as no-one bothered to notice the "hydro drama". It's like you tried to read the book Trolling for Dummies but had to get the Cliff's notes version.

 

Last edited by a moderator: Oct 21, 2025 at 11:48 PM

clone is my clone account btw

 

you´re all crazy

but i still love you all, even the wierd ones

 

What the heck is going on here

 

possibly one guy talking to himself thru the entire thread