Why are you even doing music in the first place then? The creative decisions are the fun part of it. Sure as hell i would let AI do the mastering and parts of the mixing for me (because those aspects are the most annoying and time-consuming to me). But let them write melodies, basslines or drum breaks for me? I mean, why do people even do music then, if you have nothing really to say? It shouldn't be some assembly-line-kinda job where you just churn out mediocre songs to fill the already overblown libraries of streaming services with content.

 

The "anyone can do it" part is actually really scary. We are often glorifying the democratization of production tools that has happened in the last 30 years but where has it led us? It is extremely hard to get recognized nowadays in this ocean of mediocre producers and artists who all fight for attention on social media and streaming services. You can see that for example in the club scene where other factors became more important (identity, sexuality, your social media game etc) because nowadays you don't need a studio and years of practice to create a mediocre club track or start a DJ career.
This AI revolution will be the next step in this regard, we will see famous people (who sometimes were already using ghost producers, like Heidi Klum for example) abusing their reach and fame to suddenly become "music producers" themselves.

 

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Last week, I met game producers who work with a contract clause: 'WE DO NOT WANT AI-GENERATED CONTENT'. I loved it, because it was a business negotiation!

 

That's incredible, Lois! I never imagined it, but AI could lead to a reaction from the artistic class (be they Chinese, American, Russian, Brazilian, etc.) against pure commercialism that acts only out of financial interest. In short, it could unify artists of different nationalities and political positions, generating the potential for unification and reaction, do you understand?

 

so it came to my mind now what if everyone would have such a tool ? ...induvidualism would be gone .

 

other conclusion i came to , even in the golden times people begun music out of wrong intensions , maybe not hard has today , but back then you had to learn to be are really good intrumentalist , same for the later sample artists .
And thats what the defenders which may it use for good lets say technique of this tools not understand , the majority is using it as short path and it does the oppossite of pushing individualism .its a downward spiral .

 

There will continue to be musicians around the world who learn and master an instrument, and some even study music or an instrument at university. It's up to each individual whether they use AI or not, whether they learn an instrument or not.

You can only set a good example and tell people or readers the truth, or what you believe to be the truth, about music/AI, etc. Ultimately, everyone decides for themselves what they do or not.

Everyone has to bear the consequences of their decisions. AI manufacturers will only tell you the advantages because they want to sell their products. For me, the journey is the destination, not the result. I want to experience music. When I press a key, I am that person. I decide which key I press on the MIDI keyboard and for how long. I don't want a robot to do this for me!

 

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Well, this is an incorrect comparison, FL Studio, Ableton and Logic are all very high end purified gems and hardly one could choose from except for a few minor things of taste but when talking about quality, Suno is backward and a good product doesn't stay behind in terms of quality and always learn to fix fundamental things the others fixed at least, but Suno quality is garbage since 2-3 years despite it is the first AI platform. It is just stupid to say as long as people like it because music is not just a matter of liking It is a science, otherwise music bands don't need to invest in learning and buying instruments for it. Music should be considered as hard work despite AI and as quoted from Producer aka Riffusion server: “you can make bad AI music just as you can make bad music recording.” In terms of Sonauto, It is not directed to people seeking one-click music, It designed for prompt engineers, and it will not produce high quality songs unless you give it a good direction or continue to experiment. You can already deduct that from the fact that is making songs by parts and making songs by parts is much better than sticking to one-shot deep fakeness. In the end, the more creativity you give AI the more it will bring back, but Suno spectral quality is trash and the flat frequency response of it is hard to believe.

 

I think I posted in a similar thread some example. It's not that it writes the lyrics, it also composes and makes the music. It's crazy indeed.

An Spanish streamer made a contest with AI-generated songs made by his followers. Except the lyrics, it was all about the laughs. The average song was named "My Ass Hair", so go figure the lyrics

This is probably the most serious song of the contest. It's actually good:

 

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I mean it is not bad, considering everything, this is what will take certain amount of market in... very shortly.

 

well, the OP of this discussion deliberately admitted that for him, AI is replacing him having own ideas.

so under that sign you are right, using drumloops as they are, using presets, or buying in compositions composed by other people is not better than using a KI generator at all.

all of it is the opposite of beeing creative.

 

must be a new torture method from the spanish mafia i guess
its worse than i thought .i will go into the woods now and never come back .
i respect a lot of genres and productions which are realy not my cup of tea but thiss realy to much.
so depressing

 

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I see the new account and your post feels like another person on this forum . But ill humor the wave

Aside from random chinese githubs, facebooks music model, riffusion was the first to productize a constant stream of audio. Then Suno was the first to get popular. If you look at the first riffusion models that used image based diffusion techniques the audio quality was bad and got better and better. All of this tech is still pretty new and all these companies keep improving their models every few months. The suno 4.5 model performs really well! And their new beta model sounds way cleaner. Same with Riffusions new Beta FUZZ models. As all this AI stuff gets fine tuned things get better, character constancy, and one shot gens.

I guess you dont see my point about the DAW comparision. Each company has their own ways of approaching gen AI. Use whatever tool works for you. Tape machine all the way to a prompt.

Just have fun! If suno isnt your tool its ok. Producer AI is super fun to play with too! Ive been using their chat interface since its in pre-beta. I sometimes dont even have it generate music. I just "riff" with it. Its a cool musical companion.

secret tip - they have vibe coding features baked into it. where you can have it make visualizers for your songs!

 

Just think about it in reverse. Maybe someone is an amazing mix and mastering engineer. Their brain isnt wired the same for learning instruments. They could get elements through AI and do the reverse and mix and master it without AI. Every human looks at the world different some things can be aided by tech to help in areas our brain power bars might be lacking in. A sample or a AI generated one might be the thing someone who isn't the most musical but the most technical could use to bring their song idea to fruition.

 

Thanks for sharing your process. Enjoy it!

As for AI companies being profit motivated. You need money to build cool tools. So selling a product only helps further refine it. Its like getting mad at the first iPhone about how it didnt have maps, a poor quality camera, no siri.... They needed to keep building iphones to make better iphones and give the users the tools. People are shooting full movies on iphone today, doing mo-cap on the same phone.

Progress needs funding. We can all look at apple, governments, companies as a evil. We can focus on the bad that comes with all progress, or we can see the good in it too. both exist.

 

assembly line records or what
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for electronic ,the only own signature and track with vibe i heared here was from rorer and taskforce..spy fx is another story

or we can give a dam and go into the tunnel and make music which give ourselfs goosebumps with a 2008 rig...
fck progress...progress made noisia loosing their mojo.
seems all here in this thread me too lost their muse and here to talk about nonsense out of boredom , no virtuoso which still has the fire ever would care about such topics...

yeah i know ,time to go silent now for me.

 

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Lmk what kind of pads you want i can make a stem. You asked for juno pads with no direction so i rendered that whole track. here are the juno pads as a stem https://suno.com/s/vjUs0RyBytlL2i8J

All of this stuff is iteration. I have no idea what kind of juno pads you wanted or what genre. I made that to share a single example. Even send me some chords and ill morph them into juno pads for you.

Or you can use your 2008 rig. I was just trying to help. Use whatever you want to get those goosebumps. Im just sharing a way that you can do it with a new tool.

Buy an actual Juno if you feel nostalgia pressing those keys, Download the TAL one if that gets you there, Use a sampled juno through kontakt, Find a sample on splice, use AI.

As long as youre having fun and you are getting your idea out!

 

my daily sanity check is fairly simple: as a human I thrive and grow by doing creative things myself, not by consuming cheap content or doom scrolling

lmao I read generating 20 things to get the right sex part youre looking for

 

To each is bone

 

It's a promise?

as a comrade with a dirt... ahem... "vivid imagination", I feel you