Many people -maybe even most?- who can play instruments have no idea about music.

 

Just chiming in here to remind everyone to keep it civil. This is a good place for discussion, but if you see an opinion you do not agree with, do not lash out at the commenter. Either ignore it, or calmly explain your point of view. We're close to this thread becoming a political discussion, which is not allowed here. Just a reminder. While we all have very different opinions, we are still all on the same team, which is music. Support each other, educate if you feel called, but remain civil.

 

I don’t understand this question? I made music and still make Music I. All the traditional ways from before that I listed. I’m also using ai to help me now. It’s helped me get out of writers block on songs where I couldn’t create the right elements. I’ve also been able to explore way more genres from before. Different eras, different world sounds etc…

Youre right since i started making music on a 4 track tascam i should keep using that tool till today.

 

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Ok thx boomer

 

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Congratulations @curtified, you can now call yourself an AI user. It's great that AI can and will help you.

How did you make music before the invention of AI? How did people actually make music before the invention of the internet?

What I meant was that there was a world before AI and the World Wide Web, and that people were also very productive before that and solved their musical problems entirely without computers.

 

If i prompt a friend im colabing with to do that exact same thing and he does that on my song then it makes it ok in your eyes because i used a human?

If i prompt myself to dig through samples and find a sample of sad chords. And find a sample of that vintage drum kit and put those loops in my song its ok in your eyes because I took time typing in those words in a search and placing them on my timeline?

If prompt myself and buy a synth, write every midi note, create a synth patch, track that synth, chop up the audio paste it across my timeline. Buy a vintage drum kit, get some vintage mics, Write a drum line on that drum kit, chop up what i record, eq and mix all of that together then thats ok in your eyes?

etc.. etc... etc... Any of those can get me to a final result of what I want. Why i choose the AI route is if i beatbox, or program something. I can explore multiple routes of where my stems or song could go. For me thats instant feedback on how to mold the clay of a song.

I lean on a tool when needed. I still use conventional tools to. Its just another tool in the tool box that does things others cant. So why not use something new that can get different results?

That makes no sense.

This infographic explains my point:

 

I was a professional debate judge on the California collegiate circuit in the late 90's, early 2000's, traveling around the state. I'd have automatically given the contest to your opponent for such ludicrous, petulant and pouty gibberish, young Padawan. You really need to up your rhetoric. Perhaps employ AI for some help, LOL.

I know 20-somethings that feel the same exact way...they must either be self loathing or look many decades younger than their true age in your book, eh?

 

Right they did and still do! Look at all the obsession in 2025 of vintage gear which i have a lot of. If I want to create music using those tools I do. Productive? Maybe that path for that day is least productive but its also the path I choose in that process of getting my idea down.

AI being here doesn’t mean the old gear stays off. Whether I’m flipping the switch on a Korg MS-20 or on an AI model, I’m reaching for whatever will pull the sound out of my head.

Different inputs, different workflows all for the same goal. If what’s in my head ends up as an audio waveform, why does the source matter? The listener doesn’t hear or care where it came from.

The average listener who isnt a music maker doesnt care. If everyone cared what tools were used to create the art song titles would look like this:

Led Zeppelin – Whole Lotta Love (Recorded on an SSL Mixing Board Using an 8-Track Tape Machine, Fender Telecaster, Ludwig Drum Kit, Ampeg SVT Bass Amp, Neumann U47 Mic, and Marshall Plexi Stack)

 

Debatable

 

My point was the small number of "experts" in the world who are asking "expert level questions" using AI. If it can correctly handle a mere 90% of everything and anything it is asked; that is so far beyond what any other single source can do immediately. Within seconds.

This entire thing is pretty laughable, with all these "Experts" running around trying to point out that it can make mistakes; even though it says that right on the pages (chatGPT anyway). It's a function of human ego only. None of these "incorrect answers" are ever supplied with the results to evaluate; because just like Google; if you cannot formulate the correct question to ask you will get the wrong answers. So instead we have these results, like people in the 1980s who wanted to prove how smart they were by trying to beat a computer at chess. Now even old Watson can beat Magnus Carlson no matter how he cheats, or Bobby Fischer and Bobby Flay at the same time.

It's nothing but childish denial. It is sad.

 

Will you give him credit indicating his authorship of the song, if yes, then the same should be done with AI.

Self-esteem and satisfaction from the work done by people using AI should be much lower, because even for creativity they need care, support and patronage of some hastily put together algorithm.

 

Many people know full well that AI responds faster, more comprehensively, and more precisely. This terrifies them, and they demonize AI. Some other scientists predict that in a few years, humans will be obsolete. They will eliminate themselves and be replaced by AI-powered machines that don't need vacation, are available 24 hours a day, are cheaper, and much faster.

 

Hey guys.. If you write notes with the mouse rather than recording them live via your MIDI keyboard, don't consider yourself an artist..

Of course, this also applies if you use arpeggiators plugins..

If you happen to insert effecrix for a tape stop effect rather than connecting your Traktor to Ableton to do it in real time with your Technics sl 1200g well.. I think you're pathetic producer!

 

¿Why are diffusion models more disrruptive than, for example, photography? Before photography one had to paint the fucking subject and be pretty good at it. After photography everyone with no clue about painting can make better realistic representations than any painter just by using a camera. Yet photography emerged as and art itself and we don't complain about it was already there when we were born.

This is like when horses and cars cohabited in time. People who ride horses complaning about the doom of the car, the car users giving the finger to the fucking horses and horse shit flying around everywhere. Yet a hundred year later horses are still around and you can enjoy riding them if that is your thing. Just chill, nobody gets dumber by driving a fucking car instead of riding a horse.

The only thing that worries me about AI is who owns it and the socioeconomic system it happend to be created in. But that's too political for this forum.

 

these just tools mimic other tools but not imitation of the creative act or thinking and self-expression like AI does

 

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The arpeggiator does a job that a "purist" artist should do instead..
Same thing writing music with a mouse! lol.. it makes me laugh just writing it!
At this point, what difference does it make if the song is composed by that piece of shit AI?
..It's so funny when people criticize people who use AI or other bullshit, and "compose" music with the mouse..

 

so funny when a person doesn't see difference between a paint brush and artistry
thats a real problem of todays "beatmakers" the believe that art is just mechanical execution of certain actions in the correct sequence

 

A mouse is not a paintbrush, it's just ridiculous! I find someone who manipulates samples created by Suno more creative than someone who creates a track with a mouse..

 

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Damaged in what sense?

 

What do you think grows under solar panels ?
They're doing it in my area too. In addition of making land unvailable for farming, it raises the price of lands, which makes them too expensive for farmers to buy or rent.