That may very well be...

What you (and many others) do not seem to be able to grasp is - once you use the IK's ("information kiosks" -- the "AI" you speak of doesn't exist) it's no longer your ideas at work. Which is why there is the plethora of complete crap out there these days being called music...

Again, it might be fun, but the ideas are no longer your own... As long as you realize that fact it's all good...

 

Well, duh, that was a typo... OpenAIs valuations vary from $300-500 trillion dollars (depending if you ask OpenAI themselves or not), and they turn in $5bn in revenue, yet after capital expenses, they're operating at loss. What $500tn company is yet to bring in profit?

At this point they're completely at mercy of their investors who still pour in money (Softbank mostly), and they expect to see profit, billions in profit. It ain't happening without some serious adjustments, and looks like that the introduction of GPT5 just now is that. So far it looks like way worse service, and way expensive prices.

 

AI is cancer
even FOSS projects suffer from it:

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/03/...e-traffic-forcing-blocks-on-entire-countries/

 

How are they not my ideas? is it because i didn't use classic ways of creating them then they arent mine.

for my guitar example in my previous post. Lets say I needed that funk guitar line for my song where i upload my song and get a new guitar line to fit. How is that not the same as me digging through a sample pack of funk guitars and finding one that fits in key and time? Do i need to write the midi and use a kontakt bank? But then thats not my guitar tracked its a sample based instument so then its not mine again. How about I ask a friend to play a funk guitar line over my song, wait thats his idea now that i approved and guided. Maybe i need to learn how to play funk guitar. Look on forums to find out what pedals and amps were used to get that funk sound. Wait thats not my idea again Im taking someone elses approach to get a funk sound.

Personally I think staying in the flow state when creating is fun! If i can get to what i want with the path of least resistance then I will use a tool to help stay in that creative flow state. Ive found so many uses for staying in a flow state and getting my ideas down using these AI tools. Especially when im guiding them with my music, my art, my prompts. Just because I might not be tacticly using the old way of creating for some elements doesnt take away from me guiding the art to where im satisfied with it.

 

The kosher version/bastardized of this technology aka ai
Is right now the (((current thing))) and
The nature of (((current thing))) is a weapon of the mass distraction...*like always was the same mass brainwash patterns and methods basically...

One of the chapters of my music book is about how to have endless creativity without using any retarded analytical goyslops like ai and like it never was...
Come on
is that 1997?lol
The war is over

 

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Nanu Nanu

 

It's all somewhat subjective, but yes, IMO, sample packs are no different than the idiot kiosks (aka "AI"). I tend to not use sample packs (other than one-shots) or "presets" at all, even when doing EDM, because I find one can get so immersed in the "sample experience" that real creativity goes right out the window. Real creativity being that which comes solely from your essence and no where else... Again it's just my opinion of the process - nothing more.

 

In a word...
Yes

 

agree fully but did u notice that we are the ones who pays for AI? ...I mean, here in Italy, they damaged crop fields to plant solar panels, the energy price is at its maximum like never before ...we are the one who pays for this stuff and this pisses me off at the stupidity of such actions ...let alone surveillance, that is a danger bigger than all things

 

More precisely, the manufacturers and operators, as well as the people, are paying for AI. I don't think we'll see any large AI data centers in the next few years because there's simply no money, and investors are hesitant. We would need many new large-scale power plants or nuclear reactors. The power consumption of AI is incredible

Germany has shut down all existing nuclear reactors. Consequently, China and America will win the AI race. Where will the money come from for the data centers needed to run AI? Italy, the country with the highest debt burden in the world. Germany, my country, is currently €172 billion short of its budget.

 

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Perception on this is interesting this century. If I cut up a recorded sample of someone else's music or instrument, and then use it as the foundation of a tune I wish to create, even if it no longer sounds like the original, I am creating a tune based on a cut up version of someone else's tune. That's really obvious I thought? I guess people see it however they wish to see it.

 

I copied and pasted this sentence to Chatgpt and asked if it has any logic. This was the answer:

Spoiler: ChatGPT

CHATGPT :

Okay, so let's be clear:
the sentence **has no intrinsic logic**.

Shutting down nuclear power plants in Germany is a national energy policy choice.
The fact that, "as a result," the United States and China will "win the AI race" is an unjustified leap of logic:

* there is no direct, deterministic connection between a single country's energy mix and the global outcome of a complex technological competition like AI;
* the AI race depends on research, innovation, industrial ecosystems, investment, human capital, and supporting policies—far broader and independent factors;
* even though abundant, low-cost energy can aid computing infrastructure, a single country's energy decision alone isn't enough to determine who "wins" globally.

In other words, the sentence is an **arbitrary connection** disguised as an inevitable consequence.
It's a bit like saying: *"It rained in Berlin. So Japan will win the World Cup."*
It doesn't hold up.

Oops!

 

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www.youtube.com/shorts/N5VPBeSysHw

FINALLY a philosopher who also understands science is chiming in.

 

I'll explain it to you again: Germany needs more energy producers like gas-fired power plants, etc., to operate more data centers for the coming AI (increased electricity consumption) in Germany. You can invent AI, but the electricity demand massively exceeds the available electricity generation. As a result, the coming AI you want won't be available in Germany, and Germany will fall behind, leaving America and China in the race.

 

Is it a good idea to race ? I mean : the USSR would have had a better economy if it didnt race with the USA for space. Same for arms race.
Is there a point for AI race beyond turning European countries into third world's ones?
Dont we (citizens of EU countries) have more urgent things to do (like saving our agriculture, regain our sovereignty, protect our health and environment, have an autonomous diplomacy, stop being the clowns of the world, and so on) than cutting our veins for the profits of transnational corporations to get some shiny digital glassware in return?

 

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They're your ideas, but billions of people have brilliant ideas every day. Creating and being creative is about taking something from a mere starting point to a fully realised work of art. You opt out of being an artist if you leave filling in the blanks (= the actual art) up to an artificial intelligence (gimme the sad chords on a clean guitar and the boom boom chaka boom beat on a vintage drum kit). And that is exactly how AI is used by almost everyone for art.

Exactly, and many (maybe most) people mistakenly believe AI will elevate them to expert levels of knowledge and intelligence. Gobbling up more facts, factoids and knowledge is a fun party trick, but people fail to realise they can never become more intelligent by reading more AI summaries on complex topics.