Scary times we live in. AI about to hit us hard. We need to stay strong and keep going.
A bit thank you to to all the teams and uploaders for providing the content.
Also a shout-out to @SAiNT for fighting the the matrix and keeping the underground alive.

 

AI can't do what you can do.

 

i use AI every day... its a joke.. its repetitive.. its dumb

 

AI does not have the emotions, passion, expressesivness, creativity or feelings of a real living musician.

 

I write a song..
AI compiles

 

AI will replace many aspects of the music industry, but it won't replace it all. Listeners like an artist for many reasons, with the music being just a part of it, an artist identity / brand cannot be taken away. AI will even the playing field even more-so than a daw in every computer did, so make of that what you will. Live music, club nights, music festivals cannot be taken away either, for now, but those too are slowly becoming unsustainable, we'll see how things pan out in a few years.

The people impacted the most will be music supervisors, sync writers, jingle writers, film composers etc, but every aspect of the industry will be impacted to some level.

Don't sweat it, do you, use and incorporate AI into your workflow if you feel like it. Everyone else will be soon enough.

 

The new music stuff will always come from humans, then stolen by AI crawlers in minutes.

 

So many ascribe the analogy of horses when talking about new technology replacing the outdated. If musicians are substituted for the horse, how many of you use a horse nowadays? Sure there are horses around, people love horses, but they've been 99.999% replaced by the new thing.

 

True.
Ai complies with the rules of spelling and grammar.

Then how is it able to produce such cringe?

 

A simple way to prevent the spread of AI is to simply not buy or use these AI products.
You should also remember to back up your still-functioning DAW without AI tools.

You should also consider stopping Windows updates. Continue to support musicians you love with your money.

Buy software from people every now and then. Remain supportive, helpful, and vigilant. Always remember, tech companies will continue to collect data and expand their power; don't simply consent to their data usage.

P.S.: I'm glad there are still a lot of critical, intelligent people here. Times are going to get tough; let's say no to digital slavery.

 

As usual, ppl can't see AI is just the last block in the chain ... a LONG chain.
The same logic is going on for centuries.

Most ppl don't even know English men used gigantic sledge hammers to destroy machines, "stealing" their jobs (search "Luddites").
https://www.nigeltyas.co.uk/nigel-tyas-news/post/enoch-the-power-hammer.html

It is just another step :
physical jobs replaced by mechanical machines, calculation jobs replaced by computers ... and now intellectual/creative jobs replaced by AI

BUT the most important part is understanding it will fail at the end. There is a final wall front.

Value is created by exploited HUMAN WORK. Machine don't produce value, because you pay the machine full market price.
Machines only transmit the value you paid for. The more you use it, the more it loose it"s value by wearing out.
Whereas you can exploit humans by paying them just enough (And less than the value they produced) to reproduce their "labor force", and come again tomorrow to work.

Example : A machine can't be exploited, it can't produce value : it just transmit the value you paid for it.
Only human exploited work produce value.

Same with AI : it cost a lot of money (computers, GPU, electricity, cooling ...) BUT in itself, it doesn't produce value.
You can't exploit AI to get MORE value than you paid for.

If you pay a 10 dollars a month AI service ... it will produce 10 dollars value a month.
That's why we see internet (and real world) flooded by cheap AI generated content.
And that's why some "free" generated content is used to get some royalties back ... nothing is free.

It is exactly the same contradiction than making trillions of cheap plastic toys : you are just saturating the market with MORE products to compensate for "relative surplus value" loss on EACH product ... but that's a too complex subject here.

AI is just the last link in the chain : replacing human production BUT human production being the only way to generate value ... we already see how it will end.

Like a gigantic multi centuries house of cards.

 

Please stop reading AI scare articles. And stop listening to tech bros hyping it up.

The creepiest thing about AI isn’t the tech itself — it’s the industry around it. Right now, it’s a mess of ignorant fear and arrogant hubris.

From my perspective, the reality is quite mediocre.

I’ve just spent six months going deep into AI art tools — from MidJourney to complex ComfyUI workflows. I use AI most days, and honestly, we’re still stuck in the visual/audio "echo" stage, with HUGE limitations on direct control. The creative power of LLM-based tools seems to be levelling out. Behind the hype im seeing innovation slow down.

The kind of absolute control and extreme detail needed to actually destroy the film or music industries (as some LinkedIn narcissists love to claim) just isn’t there. And not much has changed for months.

Some specific use cases have improved thanks to large, targeted data models — voice work in video, for instance. But a lot of other areas can’t suddenly improve simply because the data or functionality isn’t there.

AI automation will definitely benefit technical workflows and change day to day life. Right now in art it fits well into areas with low creative demands, like advertising, B-roll, stock content, or fixing my shitty grammar and spelling.

But the mythical, terrifying “end-to-end” AI pipeline? Its still very far away.

Tools like Suno and MidJourney are producing a very specific kind of polished slop we’re seeing everywhere online — its appearance is very annoying and most is mediocre, but if you need proper precision or high-quality polished output, they’re still barely usable.

Trying to precisely develop, steer, and finish an original idea just using AI is often harder and way more time-consuming than just hiring an artist using traditional digital tools. Same in music production.

To meet the nuanced needs of artists, musicians, filmmakers, projects, and clients, you’ll almost always need a complex creative toolkit used by humans. I think for now AI will just be part of that tool kit.

Oddly, where AI shines is as an early-stage jamming tool — good for exploring and mutating my rough ideas quickly. Ideas you then expand using traditional human skillsets and tools. Its chaotic, mash-up nature can produce fascinating happy accidents. This is my primary application of it these days. This usage is rarely discussed, and I think this type of output will inspire innovation in the arts.

 

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According to estimates, the introduction of AI will cost approximately 200 million jobs worldwide. An army of unemployed people! Bill Gates has therefore called for the introduction of an AI tax, which would then finance these newly unemployed.

Will these 200 million people sit quietly at home, or will they fight back? Will there be an unconditional basic income for the "new" unemployed? Probably, but who will finance the basic income?

 

With so many unemployed we'll need UBI to keep economies running. All that money will go back into the system anyway, so it makes sense to take UBI's seriously.

But on the flip side, I'm not sure the tech bros 'AI golden age' will materialize without a lot of new AI maintenance jobs appearing just to keep the systems stable and reliable. This whole 'AI's running AI's' maybe a very long way off or never actually work. So much conversation around AI is sci-fi click bait. Actual corporate integration isn't going smoothly with underwhelming benefits, and inflated QC problems. Fails are repeatedly being reported, where are all the success stories?

Our biggest worldwide problem is still corporate culture and its leadership. Their greedy trend following is delivering shitty AI implementation, that everyone will have to clean up. We might just be entering the AI disaster age, but its not smart AI's taking over, its just systems riddled with piss poor AI.

 

There were probably people that said that about the guitar when it first came out.

 

The taste of people (listeners in our case) suffers a backjump towards. In 2008 vocals with Autotune where almost unaccepted by almost everyone, while today is a standard in pop and rock music. The recycling of fashions, hyperconsumism, streams and social media moves every week faster and faster, at one point that the hit of today will in 14 days absolutely forgotten. Audio quality is no longer required since people hears music on their phones with a pair of 10 dollars headphones. Lyrics and variations in melody are a thing of the past, each new song I hear in radio has a kindergarden melody absolutely predictable, with a smashing chorus full of limiter, total absence of counterpoint or "hidden" elements or syncopation. Every concert of the big figures from the past is turned out a political platform or whatever sort of statement, others making lip and instrument syncing to backing tracks and the things won´t be better if a serious shake in the society come.

 

Hey barryconvex,

I don't use AI for music at all. The way you described the happy accident mash-up nature of it is very interesting though. If you use it for music in this way, could you describe what you use, and how you use it? Thanks!

 

I agree, thanks for your assessment. But we are in the midst of a developmental change – a new digital age.

I think, as global over-indebtedness and recession increase massively, states and many companies have no choice but to rely on AI, to the detriment of their employees and citizens. The world is becoming a little more inhumane and digital again. Where will the money for a basic income come from if not from tax increases and loans or an AI tax?

But that will lead to higher interest payments, and if the financial system isn't changed, to the collapse of states, even war and poverty! From the carriage to the car, in the beginning there were many traffic fatalities, then further development of technology, new laws, and increased safety led to fewer traffic fatalities and accidents.

I think that's how it will work with AI, too. The question is, over what timeframe, and will it succeed?

 

Brilliant analysis of our time!

I would like to object that the masses are deliberately controlled by the media and music industry giants. They make money off the music idiots. It's an industry; the product is shallow, undemanding music that the consumer is bombarded with.

But it's always been this way. Unfortunately, as you described, the dumbing down and quality are currently going downhill. But that's also due to new mobile devices like smartphones, laptops, etc., and the internet. You could say that since the invention of the internet, the big, financially strong companies have taken over the market.

At first, it looked as if the big players were going bankrupt, but they quickly hired intelligent people to figure out how they could continue to make money in the future. They discovered streaming and founded Spotify, etc. Just look at the Amazon corporation. The Wall Street investors put their money into Amazon, and it worked; they bought the know-how.

No one is forced to play their game. If you love and listen to good, high-quality music, you'll always find a way to listen to quality. There are also private radio stations. Download your treasures while they're still available online.

 

Are you shure, AI can create something like this: