If you're too tired or drunk to fuck, the boner (or lack thereof) isn't the problem. Viagra won't make you care for your partner.

 

I think ends justify the means and whatever gets you to a result that makes you happy I'm totally on board with. That said I don't think you could ever write an AI prompt which is going to give the result that I've achieved on my own, at least in my better work. Maybe that will change through time and I'll start using AI as a tool, it remains to be seen but for right now I get much more pleasure doing it the Luddite way.
Now when it comes to the technical side, mixing mastering, that tends to be a bit more of an objective standard; I don't know, that may really be an area to be mined.

 

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edit, lack of cognition, remove plz

 

ai bad

 

M'kay

 

You're talking about love, I'm talking about performance: when it's time to deliver your show you cannot say "let's leave it for next week". Same for the music: more than often your deadline is tomorrow morning and you better play something good now, that's when Udio/Suno came in handy

 

I really miss the point when someone can't use a saxofone riff made by AI but will use a shittier one from a construction kit. I mean, the so called "mediocracy" existed since the first person that cannot properly play a drum started making money on drum machines like Roland 808. But the thing is, AI will replace every musician, not only the drummer (f*ck the drummer), so that's why people are afraid. And quite honestly, AI is probably delivering results that some hired musicians and loop kits couldn't deliver so far, or would deliver within months of work. If shit sounded bad how every "real" musician claims, it wouldn't be a major issue at all.

 

Can we listen to these demos?

 

Every generation has its revolution, History is full of these episodes: the fuel is youthful energy and the desire to decode the present time.
Here is a report of the last 70 years of music and its cultural impact on society.

50’s: Rock n Roll is the devil’s music
https://www.ourmusicworld.com/archives/10618

60’s: Psychedelic rock, the mind-altering experiences
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_rock

70’s: Disco music, nightlife, style & DJ culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco

80’s: How Synthesizers Reshaped Music
https://melodyguide.com/the-digital-revolution-how-synthesizers-reshaped-music/

90’s: The Impact of DAWs on music
https://www.levelsmusicproduction.c...ware-is-influencing-the-sound-of-modern-music

2000’s: How Napster changed the music industry
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190531-napster-turns-20-how-it-changed-the-music-industry

10’s: Streaming music and showbusiness, live performances becoming a primary source of income
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/2010s-music-history/

20’s: AI Has Already Changed the Music Industry
https://www.billboard.com/lists/way...cial-intelligence/revolutionizing-production/

In summary, music and art are a sign o’the times: they capture the feelings, challenges, and dreams of people at any given time

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Actually the post continued with some conclusions about how useless it is to fight against new trends, but the "Ministry of Political Correctness" deleted it.

 

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Even nowdays it's hard to find some tool that crapped the music more than Autotune and brickall limiters

 

I know this wasn't your point, but it's something I've seen tech bros defending before: believing that the end justifies the means when it comes to art implies that the experience and process behind an art work can be completely separated from its final form. This mindset is exactly what allows big techs to profit by selling music as mere "content" to an audience that consumes it like cheap junk food, stripping artists, people, and the very sense of humanity from the process. In the past, making music required genuine engagement, it meant appreciating music in a personal way, being connected to local scenes, instruments, living artists, and their creations. When all of these elements are removed from the equation, music inevitably becomes a highly processed product, more like a quick drug than an art form. That being said...

The Luddites (cool reference) were fighting to preserve their role in manufacturing goods, today’s artists I guess are fighting to preserve their role in defining what art is. This isn’t merely economic, it’s rather philosophical. And while the Luddites lost to the industrial revolution, humanity still wore clothes. But if artists lose to them big tech, will we still recognize art when we see it? And should we be fine with such a cultural shift happening just so a few companies around the world can profit billions?

I don't know what the future's gonna be, but for us here in between... it's really chaotic and unsure, that's for sure.

 

Different strokes for different folks. I make music for my own personal enjoyment, but it really scratches my itch for being creative. Using AI limitedly to get some ideas can get the juices flowing. That would be OK for me, but relying on it too much would totally kill my main purpose, which again, is scratching the creative itch and building something that I can be proud of. That's me. Everyone's different. I don't really like AI for art, but I also have pretty much refused to use sample loops for forever too and do everything myself. Again.. different strokes, yada yada.

I'm a little unclear from your posts how much you relied on the AI stuff though, and what your goal is, but it seems its your job and you're maybe just looking to make money. If it works, it works! I will say as a listener, I would likely avoid any AI generated music (other than to briefly satisify curiousity as to what can be accomplished). Anyways, that's just my unsolicited opinion on all that.

 

You just mentioned all the weapons i use to slap AI in the face everyday when it outputs something for me. A sense of "that's the best you can do? Gimme those prompts and i you show you how real music looks like". On the very end my track has little % of AI on it, and when i compare it to the prompt, the results are almost incomparable. On the 90's people on NY hip hop scene were fighting to make their samples to be original, and they were taken from actual songs. With that amount of tools available today, audio to midi, analog gear, real instruments it's really that hard to defeat the output of an AI?

 

If you use AI for work the people that hire you will eventually get smart enough to cut out the middleman. You have to be better than the AI. (Because you won't be cheaper.)

 

At the moment, the output of AI can only pose a threat to mediocre musicians and composers. If it ever reached the point where it could surpass the greats (say, composing symphonies more moving than those of Ennio Morricone) then yes, I would be truly shocked. That would suggest AI had developed self-awareness, emotions, passion, and genuine creativity. And if that day ever came, I believe the world would change for the better. I’d actually be glad to listen to music composed by such a superior intelligence. In fact, I’d go even further: I wouldn’t mind being governed by such an intelligence. AI would almost certainly do a better job than the mentally retarded currently in power.

 

The original post was about doing commercial audio work in the first place. Complaining about AI used for that purpose is like complaining that someone uses Photoshop and stock images to make junk mail, or someone using a paint sprayer to paint the side of a house instead of sable-hair brushes.

 

It is insane that this is a site where, if you look hard enough, you'll find everything you could ever imagine for music production. Except creativity, gotta earn that.

 

I don’t understand how you are using the ai, even though you spelled it out. When I tried Suno it just output a bunch of corny garbage. And the audio was full of artifacts. I didn’t see how it could be helpful, but I do want to understand.

 

I did an album using Suno. It's an album I wrote, arranged and my band performed. It was 1980. It has aged badly. I wanted to know how 66 year old me would reinvent these songs by the 21 year me. The lyrics haven't improved. But after 45 years I uploaded entire songs one at a time and had control over every choice. What instruments, what kind of voice, drums or no drums. It reflects my mood now. I am relaxed and calm. These songs as electro synth pop were not suitable in 2025. So here they are. They're for me, but I invite you to listen.

 

If you need advice on how to generate AI music, I can give you my workflow:

First of all, it is mandatory to buy an account, the free version will not bring you anywhere. In my opinion Udio is more creative than Suno, but it is a totally personal opinion based on feeling, so I can not explain why. That said, I always start with the lyrics of the song (prepared previously), in the lyrics you can also insert these scripts when needed: [intro] [verse] [chorus] [bridge] [solo] [outro]. It is possible to leave loose the “lyrics strength” value at about 20%, so AI can came out with something crazy. Obviously you have to define the music genre (be very specific on what you are looking for). For the final output, I always use max generation quality and max length.
It's time to press "Create", from now on you will have to have faith in the algorithm and pray: everything good that will come out will be just a happy accident, so when you hear a good idea, save the stems immediately, otherwise you will lose them in the chaos of the list. After a long session of trial & error and after having generated 40 or more tracks, maybe you will have managed to have something interesting: this is the time to transfer stems into the DAW and start doing the real thing: transforming a scribble into a composition. From here on I have no more advice on arranging, you have to let your imagination run wild.
As far as I'm concerned, my final composition is always quite different from the original AI track (while keeping its vibe), the stems are gone and the only reference left will be the singing voices, which will eventually be replaced by humans.

Good luck with your compositions