Good system on paper but ongoing Cubase performance issue

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  1. CMAudioz

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    When running a project, have Task Manager open and monitor the CPU/Memory and HD utilisation? If they aren't anywhere close to 100%, this will indicate an issue with the ASIO drivers at the very least, or just that particular version of Cubase. I don't recall if you said you had this issue with previous versions of Cubase. Changing the audio card USB cable and port also wouldn't be a bad test if the earlier steps are good.
    If something is hitting 100% (CPU, HD or Memory - last is very unlikely as it would make use for virtual RAM), then you need to look at that hardware. If it's the CPU, re-seat it with new thermal paste, won't hurt.
     
  2. quadcore64

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    On the ASIO Guard topic, have you tried not using ASIO Guard?

    On the PCIe topic, What I meant to convey without getting too far into the weeds was, Most modern motherboards that don't used re-drivers/repeaters have available lanes shared between PCIe slots & SATA or NVMe slots. Some PCIe slots are set to disable NVMe or SATA slots when used rather than sharing. This is usually found in the web site specifications section for the motherboard.

    PCIe slot 1 is usually X16 PCI lanes all the time unless you use the BIOS Bifurcate to divide it into two or four:
    8 x or 4 x 4 x 4 x 4. 16 lanes total in either combination.

    If you have another x16 slot, it is electrically either 8 or 16 PCIe lanes. Again in the specs. PCIe add-in cards can be used for extra NVMe SSDs in sets of two or four depending on the lanes available. You not only have the option to Bifucate/divide the slots lanes, you also have the option to create a RAID set for enhanced read/write speed. The simplest and safest for a novice is Bifurcation.

    Hope that help explain what I meant!

    Newegg search of compatible RAM for the X570 Taichi
    https://www.newegg.com/tools/memory-finder?Category=AE&name=ASRock+X570+TAICHI&Manufactory=1003&Model=949375&ModelValue=600521523+100007611&N=600535716 600418367
     
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  3. Bamboozled

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    Thanks again for diving in!
    As I mentioned earlier... Switch off ASIO Guard and BOOM! Straight into the red on performance - and that is before I even press "play".

    In terms of the PCIe info, thanks for this. I'm going to have to read that several times to get my head around it, but I think I get the gist.

    Got a little biz trip for the next few days, so will need to return to this next week. And will do the test you suggest, @CMAudioz.

    Thanks to everyone again for all your help so far, it is GREATLY appreciated
    :mates:
     
  4. Paul Pi

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    I'd put money betting that if you completely excise Project Lasso (and any other 'real-time' 3rd party software that 'optimizes' your PC) from your computer, your computer's audio performance will improve dramatically.

    EDIT: Or at least disable it (and any other real-time monitoring processes like antivirus) from being executed at startup for testing purposes.
     
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  5. Havana

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    You ever tried livestreaming 32 tracks with Cubase fully loaded with plugins? Obviously not because it's impossible with the high latency. So keep quiet untill you actually know what you're actually talking about.
     
  6. Bamboozled

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    Just as well you didn't put money down... :winker: This was all happening BEFORE Project Lasso. Lasso actually improved things slightly. That said, I would prefer to have things work without lots of filler like Lasso. So still testing and will no doubt test stripping all manner of things back including Lasso.
     
  7. PulseWave

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    Process Lasso for better DAW performance ?!

    OK, here it is:
    1. Launch NVIDIA Control Panel. Click on “Manage 3D settings” in the left hand panel.
    2. Click the Program Settings tab.
    3. Under “Select a program to customize:” enter the location of the Cubase10.exe (or whatever Cubase version you have) and click Add button.
    4. Under “Specify the settings for this program:” scroll down to Power management mode, click on the current setting to get the dropdown menu, and then select “Prefer maximum performance”
    To my understanding, what this does is keep the graphics card responding at highest performance so it doesn’t tie up CPU cores, leading to a latency problem. The setting is set whenever you start Cubase, and changed back to default when you close it.

    I suppose it could be set under Global Settings, but since I don’t really know what the card is doing, I thought, best just leave it alone for everything else besides Cubase.

    Somebody who is a gamer could probably explain it much better.

    Source: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/process-lasso-for-better-daw-performance/890448/9
     
  8. aleksalt

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    Hi there,
    I struggle with a similar problem with Bandlab on Win7/64, tried different ways, but, so far, no good result
    Today asked perplexity this:
    What is IRQ in PC and how it can affect/improve the audio performance in Windows 7/64?
    the answer:
    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-irq-in-pc-and-how-it-c-vQ452tKYRl6qUIp5uIWcVg

    Note, some tips there are perhaps dangerous for OS, so, I'll try a simple and safe tip: changing the video card slot on motherboard (now it has the same IRQ number with audio card, and this is not good as perplexity said)
     
  9. PulseWave

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    IRQ (Interrupt Request) in a PC is a hardware signal sent to the processor to gain its attention. Devices like sound cards, keyboards, and network cards use IRQs to tell the CPU that they need processing time. Each device typically gets a unique IRQ number so the CPU can distinguish between different interrupt sources.

    How IRQ Affects Audio Performance in Windows 7/64-bit
    1. Real-Time Audio Processing:
      • Audio devices require low-latency communication with the CPU to process sound in real time.

      • If multiple devices share the same IRQ (a situation called IRQ sharing), it can lead to interrupt conflicts or delays, especially on older systems or poorly designed drivers.
    2. Latency and Dropouts:
      • When the sound card's IRQ is delayed due to other devices using the same interrupt line, audio stuttering, clicks, or dropouts may occur.

      • This is especially problematic for professional audio applications (e.g., DAWs like Pro Tools or Ableton Live) that require stable and low-latency performance.
    3. Improving Audio Performance:
      • Use dedicated IRQs for sound cards, especially for professional audio interfaces.

      • In BIOS, disable unused devices (like onboard audio, serial ports, etc.) to free IRQs.

      • Ensure that the sound card is placed in a PCI/PCIe slot that does not share IRQs with high-traffic devices (like USB controllers or GPUs).

      • Use tools like DPC Latency Checker or LatencyMon to analyze and troubleshoot interrupt-related latency issues.

      • Install the latest drivers and chipset updates, as well-written drivers can manage IRQ sharing more efficiently.
    Summary
    IRQ management is crucial for optimal audio performance. In Windows 7/64-bit, although IRQ handling has improved with ACPI and Plug-and-Play, issues can still arise, particularly with legacy drivers or when multiple high-demand devices share the same IRQ. Proper IRQ assignment and driver optimization can lead to significantly improved audio stability and lower latency.
     
  10. aleksalt

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    As I see from your post perplexity done its job better than chatGPT, but it's necessary to log in there (use your facbook, Google or something), then enter my question as I did and you'll get several pages of information plus links to all the resources...and conclusion, of course
     
  11. PulseWave

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    Quick question: Do you think ChatGPT and Perplexity are helpful in solving this problem or not?
     
  12. aleksalt

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  13. PulseWave

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    I read the article. I recently made music with Windows 7 myself. However, it's a self-built PC, not a laptop. I've never had any problems with it. I've used Asus or Gigabyte motherboards and PCI sound cards like the E-MU 1212M PCIe (PCIe Digital Audio System) or the Infrasonic Quartet - 4-Channel PCI Audio Interface. AMD - FX-8350 Processor - Boxed - Socket AM3 CPU!
     
  14. Paul Pi

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    Yup, that's fair enough. After posting, i had a quick web snoop and admittedly nobody seems to have problems with Lasso. I personally always try to keep all extraneous processes to an absolute minimum.

    I would second @Haze 's suggestion to re-install the nvidia driver using the excellent (and free) NV clean install utility, which will enable you to establish that only the elements of the nvidia driver suite that you actually want get installed (i.e. the basic graphics driver) without the nvidia telemetry and other cruft you most certainly don't want or need. Once you've 'clean' installed the driver, go to your nvidia panel and ensure its power management setting there is set to "maximum performance. That is the single most important nvidia setting for stable DAW performance on a system with an nvidia card.

    I had a look at the the X570 specs on the ASRock site and see that the motherboard has built-in WIFI, Blutooth, 7-channel sound and a LED controller (polychrome sync). Disable them all in BIOS, login and see if that improves things. If you need to use your PC to surf etc, use the Intel ethernet port instead of WIFI, or disable the WIFI in windows when using cubase.

    On your win11, did you ever run anything like ShutUp10++ to disable the many dubious MS features that come enabled by default? Opinions vary, but i personally would be inclined to use win10 instead, less headaches overall.

    If, having followed the substantially good advice given throughout this thread, you're still having performance issues, as a last resort i would suggest you beg/borrow/steal an AMD graphics card to switch out your 2080 card with.

    EDIT: I also second @taskforce 's suggestion regarding memory. Test your PC with only two memory sicks in the motherboard's A2/B2 ram slots (a dual-channel setting) & see if that makes a difference. It very well might, 'cos tbh it's unclear whether the motherboard supports 128Gb with your memory sticks. I say this 'cos i looked through the X570 Taichi memory QVL page on the ASRock site and your memory config (CMW32GX4M4D3600C18 ?) is NOT listed. It looks like you would need not C18 but C16 memory sticks in a 128Gb set-up. This would explain why the memory speed has been capped by BIOS to 2667MHz.
     
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  15. PulseWave

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    Your system is robust and well-suited for professional audio production with Cubase 14 Pro, but you’re noticing performance issues or bottlenecks ("the brake") in your setup. Let’s analyze potential sources of performance loss based on your hardware, configuration, and typical DAW workflows, ensuring everything fits together cohesively. I’ll break this down systematically, addressing each component and potential issues, and then provide actionable recommendations.

    System Overview
    • OS: Windows 11 Home
    • DAW: Cubase 14 Pro
    • I/O: SSL 2+ (USB audio interface)
    • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16 cores, 32 threads, 3.4GHz base, up to 4.9GHz boost)
    • Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi
    • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080Ti
    • RAM: 128GB DDR4 (4x32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, 2667MHz)
    • Cooler: Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4
    • Storage:
      • C Drive: Samsung SSD 980 PRO 1TB (NVMe)
      • Project Drive: Samsung SSD 850 PRO 128GB (SATA)
      • VST Drive: Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB (NVMe)
    This is a high-end setup, with a powerful CPU, ample RAM, and fast storage. However, performance bottlenecks in DAW systems often stem from configuration, drivers, or specific component limitations rather than raw hardware specs. Let’s evaluate each area.

    Potential Performance Bottlenecks
    1. RAM Speed (2667MHz)
    • Issue: Your RAM is running at 2667MHz, which is relatively slow for a Ryzen 9 5950X. Ryzen CPUs, especially 3rd-gen (Zen 3), benefit significantly from faster RAM due to their Infinity Fabric architecture. The sweet spot for Ryzen 5000 series is typically 3600MHz with low latency (e.g., CL16).
    • Impact: Slower RAM can reduce CPU performance in memory-intensive tasks, such as loading large sample libraries or running multiple VST plugins. Cubase, especially with heavy projects, can be RAM-intensive.
    • Evidence: You listed the RAM as "Corsair Vengeance PRO DDR4 360," but the speed is 2667MHz. This suggests the RAM is either underclocked or not running at its rated speed (3600MHz).
    • Check: Verify if XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) is enabled in the BIOS to run the RAM at 3600MHz. Use CPU-Z to confirm current RAM speed.
    • Recommendation:
      • Enter BIOS and enable XMP to set RAM to 3600MHz.
      • If the RAM is not rated for 3600MHz, consider upgrading to 3600MHz CL16 DDR4 (e.g., G.Skill Ripjaws V or Corsair Vengeance LPX).
      • Ensure RAM is installed in dual-channel configuration (slots A2 and B2 on the ASRock X570 Taichi for optimal performance).
    2. Project Drive (Samsung SSD 850 PRO 128GB)
    • Issue: The 128GB SATA SSD for projects is small and slower compared to your NVMe drives (980 PRO and 970 EVO). While the 850 PRO is reliable, its read/write speeds (~550MB/s) are significantly slower than NVMe drives (~3500MB/s for 970 EVO, ~7000MB/s for 980 PRO).
    • Impact: Small project drive size can lead to storage constraints, especially with large audio projects or sample libraries. SATA speeds may cause delays when loading or saving large projects, particularly if you’re working with high-resolution audio (e.g., 96kHz/24-bit).
    • Evidence: 128GB is very limited for modern DAW projects, especially if you’re storing multitrack recordings, samples, or backups. If the drive is near capacity, performance can degrade further due to reduced free space.
    • Recommendation:
      • Move projects to the 980 PRO (C Drive) or 970 EVO (VST Drive), which have faster NVMe speeds and more capacity.
      • Consider upgrading the project drive to a larger NVMe SSD (e.g., Samsung 990 PRO 2TB) for better performance and storage.
      • Keep at least 20% free space on the 850 PRO if you continue using it to avoid performance degradation.
    3. USB Audio Interface (SSL 2+)
    • Issue: The SSL 2+ is a solid USB 2.0 audio interface, but USB 2.0 has lower bandwidth (480Mbps) compared to USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt. If the USB port or drivers are not optimized, you may experience latency, audio dropouts, or glitches, especially at low buffer sizes (e.g., 64 or 128 samples).
    • Impact: High CPU usage or USB bus contention (e.g., sharing bandwidth with other devices) can cause performance issues in real-time audio processing.
    • Evidence: You didn’t specify latency issues, but audio dropouts or high CPU spikes during playback/recording are common signs of USB-related bottlenecks.
    • Check: Ensure the SSL 2+ is connected to a USB 2.0 or 3.0 port directly on the motherboard (avoid front-panel ports or USB hubs). Check for updated SSL 2+ drivers and firmware.
    • Recommendation:
      • Update SSL 2+ drivers from the Solid State Logic website.
      • In Cubase, set buffer size to 256 or 512 samples for stability (adjust lower for recording if latency is acceptable).
      • Disable USB power management in Windows:
        • Go to Device Manager > Universal Serial Bus controllers > Right-click USB Root Hub > Properties > Power Management > Uncheck “Allow the computer to turn off this device.”
      • If issues persist, consider a USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt interface (e.g., Universal Audio Apollo) for lower latency and higher bandwidth.
    4. CPU Performance and Cooling
    • Issue: The Ryzen 9 5950X is a powerhouse, but DAWs like Cubase are sensitive to single-threaded performance and core management. The Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 is a good air cooler, but under heavy loads (e.g., multiple VSTs, high track counts), thermal throttling could occur if cooling is insufficient.
    • Impact: Thermal throttling reduces CPU clock speeds, causing performance drops. Cubase’s ASIO load spikes can also occur if core affinity or power settings are not optimized.
    • Evidence: You haven’t mentioned overheating, but check CPU temperatures using HWMonitor during heavy Cubase sessions. Sustained temps above 85°C could indicate cooling issues.
    • Check:
      • Use HWMonitor to monitor CPU temps (aim for <80°C under load).
      • Check Windows power plan (set to High Performance).
      • In Cubase, enable “ASIO Guard” and set to “High” for better core distribution.
    • Recommendation:
      • Ensure proper airflow in your case and reapply thermal paste if temps are high.
      • In BIOS, enable Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) for better CPU performance, but monitor temps.
      • In Cubase, go to Studio > Audio System > ASIO Driver Setup and ensure “Multi Processing” is enabled.
      • If thermal issues persist, consider a high-end AIO liquid cooler (e.g., NZXT Kraken X63).
    5. Windows 11 Optimization
    • Issue: Windows 11 Home may have background processes or settings that interfere with real-time audio processing. Features like Game Mode, Xbox Game Bar, or telemetry can consume CPU resources.
    • Impact: Background processes can cause audio dropouts or high ASIO load in Cubase.
    • Recommendation:
      • Disable unnecessary startup programs:
        • Task Manager > Startup > Disable non-essential apps.
      • Turn off Windows features:
        • Settings > Gaming > Turn off Xbox Game Bar and Game Mode.
      • Optimize power settings:
        • Control Panel > Power Options > Select “High Performance.”
      • Disable Windows Defender real-time scanning for Cubase and VST folders:
        • Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security > Virus & Threat Protection > Manage Settings > Add exclusions for Cubase.exe and VST drive.
      • Update Windows and all drivers (chipset, GPU, etc.) from the ASRock and AMD websites.
    6. VST and Plugin Performance
    • Issue: Some VST plugins are poorly optimized or CPU-intensive, especially if they’re older or rely heavily on single-threaded performance.
    • Impact: Heavy plugins (e.g., Serum, Kontakt with large libraries) can spike CPU usage, causing dropouts or lag.
    • Check: In Cubase, monitor the ASIO meter (F12 > Audio Performance). Identify plugins causing spikes by disabling them one by one.
    • Recommendation:
      • Freeze or render tracks with heavy VSTs to reduce CPU load (Cubase: Render in Place).
      • Ensure VSTs are updated to their latest versions.
      • Use the 970 EVO for sample-based VSTs (e.g., Kontakt, Omnisphere) to leverage NVMe speeds.
      • If using Kontakt, enable “Memory Server” in settings for large libraries.
    7. Storage Configuration
    • Issue: While your C Drive (980 PRO) and VST Drive (970 EVO) are fast NVMe drives, the 128GB 850 PRO project drive is a weak link due to its size and SATA interface.
    • Impact: Slow or full drives can cause project load/save delays or errors in Cubase.
    • Recommendation:
      • Consolidate projects and VSTs onto the 970 EVO or 980 PRO for faster access.
      • Back up projects to an external drive to free up space on the 850 PRO.
      • Regularly defragment the 850 PRO (if it’s heavily used) using Windows Disk Defragmenter (NVMe drives don’t need defragmentation).
    8. Cubase 14 Pro Settings
    • Issue: Cubase’s default settings may not be optimized for your high-end system, especially for low-latency or high-track-count projects.
    • Impact: Incorrect buffer sizes, ASIO Guard settings, or disk preload settings can cause performance issues.
    • Recommendation:
      • In Cubase, go to Studio > Audio System:
        • Set buffer size to 256–512 samples for mixing, 64–128 for recording (adjust based on latency needs).
        • Enable ASIO Guard and set to “High.”
      • Increase disk preload time for sample-based VSTs:
        • Studio > VST Audio System > Disk Preload > Set to 2–5 seconds.
      • Save projects with “Minimize Audio Files” to reduce disk usage.
    Does It All Fit Together?
    Your hardware is well-coordinated for a professional DAW setup, but the RAM speed (2667MHz) and the small/slow project drive (850 PRO 128GB) are potential weak links. The SSL 2+ is adequate but may struggle with very low-latency tasks due to USB 2.0 limitations. Windows 11 and Cubase settings also need optimization to fully leverage your CPU and RAM.

    Summary of Key Bottlenecks
    1. RAM Speed: 2667MHz is slow for Ryzen 9 5950X; aim for 3600MHz via XMP or upgrade.
    2. Project Drive: 128GB SATA SSD is small and slow; move projects to NVMe drives.
    3. USB Audio Interface: SSL 2+ may have latency issues; optimize drivers and USB ports.
    4. Windows/Cubase Settings: Background processes and unoptimized DAW settings can cause dropouts.
    Action Plan
    1. Immediate Fixes:
      • Enable XMP in BIOS for 3600MHz RAM.
      • Move projects to the 970 EVO or 980 PRO.
      • Update SSL 2+ drivers and optimize USB settings.
      • Disable Windows background processes and optimize power settings.
      • Adjust Cubase buffer size and ASIO Guard.
    2. Monitoring:
      • Use HWMonitor to check CPU temps and RAM speed.
      • Monitor Cubase ASIO meter for plugin-related spikes.
    3. Upgrades (if needed):
      • Upgrade project drive to a 2TB NVMe SSD (e.g., Samsung 990 PRO).
      • Consider a USB 3.0/Thunderbolt interface for lower latency.
      • If RAM isn’t rated for 3600MHz, upgrade to 3600MHz CL16 DDR4.
    Additional Notes
    • No Chart Needed: Your query didn’t explicitly request a chart, so I’ve avoided generating one per the guidelines.
    • Web/X Search: I didn’t need to search the web or X for this response, as your hardware specs and typical DAW performance issues are well-covered by my knowledge.
    • Symptoms Clarification: If you can share specific symptoms (e.g., audio dropouts, high ASIO load, slow project loading), I can refine the diagnosis further.
    If you have more details about the performance issues or want me to focus on a specific aspect (e.g., latency, plugin performance), let me know!
     
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