was windows / linux / amiga for my whole life
swtiched to macair m4 recently, yes battery/proc ammmmmaaaazing
but macos omg... wtf what's that ? and pretending SIP is "security" and seeing all the reddit and other forum ass licker jerk defendeint apple and how apple is alwats smarter than you.. ok I knew I'd step into that anyway. never seen such a bunch of bugs even amateur linux distros can do better. (not even package manager, just an alpha of pkgtool for years..poretending you delete apps and done but it leaks a ton of direcctory file agents all over the place - the more I dig, the more i have to use terminal and enjoy learning how crappy is that)- i could keep going.

my biggest disapointement came to logic. I used ableton and S1 on windows. Always lurking at logic pro, but it's a piece of crap ! yes many feature probably good sounds and puglins. many use it i do great with it. Me it just hurted my eyes and my brain and my hands. I know it looks like old software, unclear clunky cumbersome ungernonomic unintuitive unfriendly interface. I'm software engineer coding all king of piece of shit for 30+ years so at least I can judge

Rent ended. I keep that laptop, excellent hardware , love the real time audio stack (at least it's something good in macos) - despite I hate that glossy fingerprint magnet screen), using ableton, maybe S1 again later.

 

Thanks for the report on your first five minutes with macOS, and your first two minutes with Logic.

It takes longer than that to unlearn old Windows habits, and start to appreciate the many good things about macOS, and it certainly takes longer than that to get used to the change in visual style and the ways of doing things. Maybe report back after three to six months, and let us know whether you have more things to rant about, or whether you've been pleasantly surprised about some things.

No modern computing environment is perfect, each has different strengths and weaknesses, and it's wise to pick the ones that work for you as your main platform, whatever your personal preference is.

Logic doesn't hurt anyone's eyes, you're just being over-dramatic. What you mean is you don't initially like it, which is fair enough. Once you get used to it, you may feel differently (you may not, of course, too).

Personally, I find many other DAWs, eg, Cubase and Reaper to be super ugly, over-complicated and unintuitive, but with all deep software, you work best with what you know, and tend to think the one you use is the best because it has the least friction to you in use. For me, that is hands-down Logic, but for you it might be something different. I find Logic the most clear and least-cluttered DAW out there, which frees me up to just make music.

If you *really* want cumbersome, unintuitive and unfriendly interfaces, try something like Blender or Maya...

 

Judging from the way you worded your post, I am not surprised you did not fare well.

 

Sending thoughts and prayers from my rock solid M2 Pro Mac mini Cubase machine.. I mean when was Logic ever considered 'eye candy'? Bought into it at Logic Platinum 4 all the way up to Logic Pro 11 (I switched back to Cubase right before Cubase 12 came out) that things always been 'utilitarian' to say the least. Be glad you never had to configure the 'Environment' just to run your MIDI gear.

If you can't get anything done with everything Logic Pro gives you nowadays, that's not Logic or Apple's fault.

 

but he is a coder, so he knows about good design.

plus live does not exist on macos, so he is limited to logic.

which he rented, if i am interpreting the topic correctly.

+1

 

I don’t get it, why did you switch from Ableton and S1 to logic, both are available on macOS

 

Live doesn't exist on MacOS? Then what's this Ableton Live Suite 11 I spent like $500 on a few years back that I seem to be able to use just fine on MacOS??

 

Disabling SIP in Recovery Terminal is faster than complaining about it on this forum.

Boot into recovery using Cmd+R
Enter terminal
csrutil disable
Reboot

https://iboysoft.com/wiki/sip-mac.html

 

Is that a standup comedy text?

 

i know some great song recorded in logic. And those who can produce anything with that are great, i've not the courage to use that.

for crsdisable of course I did, and added kind of firewall (lulu) then discovered even more mess (the whole hundreds of telemetry spyi buggy 'cloud' daemons. for example why apple mail goes through mail.apple.com as intermediate. when only configured to smtp google and outlook ? and start disabling and remove crap on system partition and then system processes spin and some time out (seems lot of unneeded dependencies between those processes and 'home' call is done synchronously, on purpose to put mess ? to force using those cloud shyt ? very, very bad programming practice anyway, kind of PR i'd block in any sane minded coder)

it was just a rent , more about logic, i don't unerstand that UI but it looked good until I tried it.
it's a good not too expensive hardware depiste the messy coding/greedy PM at apple.

 

So let's see, you bought a computer with an operating system you've no experience with, pick some software that you don't know how to use. Then start mucking about with said system with no knowledge what you're doing.

And here you're complaining about "messy coding". Ah... classic stuff.

 

F for effort. How do you guys fall for this?

 

Thank god you are renting as you can return it

 

Oh come on, there's currently a sample rate bait going on, at least this has promise to be somewhat fun!

 

Learning Logic was very difficult for me. Everything about it seemed unintuitive, even things like interacting with audio on the timeline. It was my first DAW. I eventually switched to Ableton, which I found to be a lot more natural and intuitive to learn.

 

What is this? Amateur hour?

 

welcome to the cheese factory nothing new

 

If there's something I learned working as a PM at a leading A/V software company it's that coders know least about good design. I'd rather ask a sales guy to design a GUI than a coder. I'll give you an example:

About 11 years ago, I was working on a huge project in Seoul. I had a team of 17 engineers from all over the world (India, Israel, Russia, France, and myself from the US, plus three Koreans). At one point, we were all holed up over our screens in one large single room. This "coder" (we say developer) that had just flown in a day or two prior to join the team and who was sitting opposite me got up, walked around the table, and looked at my screen.

He pointed at my screen and asked (and I kid you not): "Is that our software?" The guy had been "coding" whatever module for the past two years, and never once had seen (or been curious to ask to see) what our software, our final product, looked like. He wasn't even embarrassed to say so. I promptly (end of the week) sent him back home. Useless.

"So he knows about good design" is possibly the biggest misconception I've heard said since someone proclaimed the Titanic "insubmersible."

 

Happy for you.
Two questions: 1) how old are you? and 2) how much experience with analog gear in a recording studio had you had previously?

 

1) 20s
2). Not much. I played instruments in bands on stage and in recording studios (guitar, bass, saxophone… different bands) so I had participated in a lot of recording as a musician, but recording itself was not something I was interested in until around 5 years ago when I started using DAWs.