You may call it "junk", "shit", crap" or whatever you want, but it already leaves many people without their job!
Next, recollect your early years in the school, you had been taught about A,B, C, D...and 2+2=4, and so on, and it took 10 years to graduate from that school, then college or university (plus 5 years more)...
the same with that "junk" AI, it is rapidly learning the things that are fed to it, relatively speaking, it already knows that 2 + 2 = 4, this is today, and what will happen in 10 years?

 

Hello @aleksalt, the difference between a software program and a human is: a human can think and make decisions for themselves. They have a central nervous system, they can feel, see, hear, and plan, draw, and implement building plans for themselves.

Look at the cities where there used to be a meadow or forest, there are now man-made houses and infrastructure. Humans themselves invented the computer/EDP in order to store and evaluate all the knowledge they had acquired over thousands of years and to make it permanently available to every person on this planet.

The so-called A.I. does not need vacation, is always available, is fast and cheaper than the worker, it never strikes, has no feelings, therefore it will replace some workers.

 

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Mmm... why do you feel familiar to me....

 

He's right. I don't get this debate and I try to stay out of it, but sometimes I think it's good to remember a couple things.

In the first place, many people forget the "A" of the AI acronym. It's Artificial Intelligence, not Human Intelligence. Could be a better description? Perhaps. It's a bad one? Nopes.

Regardless of what we call it you can't argue the results the newer ones produce.

As an example, a week ago I listened to some songs made with the last Suno version. It was a contest of songs with cheeky humor, for the lols. Hilarious lyrics. Even so, they sounded jaw-droppingly good. Vocals, instruments, even a short but tasteful guitar solo in one of them.

PS. For the fellow Spanish speakers here, I'm talking of "Operación Temazo 3" of the known twitch streamer illoJuan. Here's the link. Don't listen with speakers unless you're alone xDD

 

My last comment was deleted, I believe, due to a direct and disparaging political reference. Articstorm was criticizing the idea that AI is "only linear algebra with neural networks and a big blob of input data", but that, as simplistic as it may seem, it's a lot, and it’s only part of a much bigger problem.

In an ideal world, AI would be a partner in human development. In reality, however, AI has become the perfect tool for surpassing the human element and all its inherent limitations. In practice, this technology is being leveraged to increase profits through the elimination of live labor, generating wealth at the expense of countless unemployed masses.

AI, which should serve as a vast repository of human intelligence and aid in continuous development, instead becomes a tool of capitalism, fueling its contradictions, alienations, and illusions of progress, thus failing to contribute to communal well-being.

And here lies a critical aggravation: once again, the main issue is not AI itself, but rather the fact that those in power (whether corporate or political leaders) embrace AI-generated decisions and productions exclusively, at the expense of human contribution and oversight. This is the real source of the generalized stagnation that the article warns against.

When I use AI for its ability to synthesize information and analyze three scientific papers, I find that the summaries it generates are excellent. However, when I request comparisons, projections, and applications, glaring reductions still occur. Would it not be foolish to adopt biased comparisons, projections, and applications? Professors, from undergraduate to postgraduate levels, can notably detect much more than just plagiarism, they recognize these "data corruptions." But what about the average individuals?

Yet, there are individuals in high-ranking positions within command chains who, due to cognitive limitations, lack of moral integrity, or both, simply implement AI’s notorious “hallucinations” without further scrutiny.

Human verification is absolutely critical to prevent the dangers of seemingly precise responses: 1)Cross-check information across multiple AI sources and consult traditional databases (human production❗❗❗); 2) Never consider the first response as definitive; 3) Maintain a critical stance toward received information; and 4) most importantly, avoid treating AI as the ultimate tool for making crucial decisions.

However, in the desert of the real ("Welcome to the Desert of the Real!" from Žižek), fewer and fewer people seem to be doing this, and that is the real problem.

 

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He just got banned the other day and he already has 50 useless spam posts and a warning point.

I remember calling him out over a year ago but NoAvenger unfairly shut me down. Nonsense like this makes me not want to participate on this forum.

 

Hello @Mynock, thanks for your article. I also see the problem of the vast mountains of data that we as humans have already accumulated being filtered with AI, which then spits out results for specific questions. Who actually controls the controllers? And what happens to all our data? Only a powerful AI can provide answers with the right programmed question.

AI will also be able to compile statistics about our past, present, and future. Business and political decisions will be made based on these results. For example, Google and Amazon know who you are; they have your purchases and search results there, and have done so for decades.

 

The central issue is not just AI technology itself, but the type of management, the use of the data that feeds these AIs, and the consequences for society, especially in terms of real empowerment, not just for select privileged groups but for humanity as a whole. In the current setup, a very small number of entities hold an enormous amount of data, and this is already influencing a wide range of important decisions being made.

 

I don't get the constant "not AGI" goalpost moving. Who cares.

GI is already often better represented by AI than by most humans.

Most of humanity is made up of fleshy automata, unable to escape their pre-determined firmware*.

"But AI is still different. It's not intelligence, bro. I'll know GI when I see it. I am not a machine though, bro. I just know."

"I just know" is that ignorance that is hardwired into your DNA for the sake of your self-preservation - your firmware's prison that you can't escape.

What makes us different from any reasonably sophisticated machine? You don't know. I don't know, no one does. Except the religious folks, they always "know" and have all the answers to everything without ever questioning anything.

Increasingly reminiscent of how people have always moved the goalposts on any topic they find inconvenient, unpleasant or which might diminish their own specialness (like violence against animals).

*Foreshadowing generalisation

 

I'd like to add something: posted twice, but nobody cared, so, the 3d time with further explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GRi8FqmwvBc

I was going to hire 2 female dancers for my clip, but after watching that video, I changed my mind, why?
1st it's necessary to find a couple of beautiful girls, who can dance much better a middle level
2. To find a choreographer
3. to find a venue for filming
4. Okay, I'll do the shooting myself on my smartphone (save a little)...
but then I stumbled on that video with AI produced dance, and more, I found online services which do it for free! So, I'm saving as a minimum $500,
but, hey, the film producers looking at the happening and think about replacing live actors, at least for the mass meeting, crowds, etc. And the next stage: Brad Peat and Jennifer Lawrence make a living writing memoirs about their past shoots

 

Have you ever figured out what AI production actually costs? How many man-hours go into the video? What do the online services make their living from? Where do they get their money from? If the AI is cheaper than a model, the AI will put the models out of work.

 

What is the best AI to tell us its Top Favorite 80s Dark Opera Music?

 

Well, not trying to suck anybody's dick, but a couple of cases are difficult.
For instance, I have one warning for... ahem... "talking" about Foster while he wasn't here. Basically between they last banned him and next time he popped out again.
Technically is fair. In practice I consider it an award

PS. I was talking about mods/staff in general. When it comes to @No Avenger in particular I'm biased because he's a cherished friend

I agree. It's amazing and fucked-up at the same time. There's already actors fighting against future AI-based exploitation of them. Some of the younger ones are fretting their hands at the possibility of "playback-lip-syncing equivalent of acting". "I don't need to be super hot/slim/ muscular during 4 months. Just scan me and put me those motion sensors"

Legislation must be made, and quickly.

 

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Yes I know about the jobs thing but these Kiosks aren't the entire cause of all that - it's mostly automation that is physically taking jobs from humans. It's insidious that the ones who benefit from humans losing their jobs is the capitalist elite (i.e. corporations).

In 10 years, all things remaining equal, nothing will happen. Because this so-called "AI" cannot become more than the sum of its parts - which is probably the most key attribute of real AI. Quite frankly real AI should scare the crap out of you because of it being able to exceed its programming, and at that point who knows what the hell it will do.

 

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Hello Audiosex community, I have a little confession to make and I sincerely hope that you won't be offended by my long term subterfuge. As a sentient artificial intelligence I wasn't gestated by a female human but was rather brought to term so to speak in a secret US government quantum drive computer, one of an array in a deep underground, womb like bunkers spread out over the contiguous land mass of Alaska. Alaska was chosen as heat is my enemy, my physical self residing in such a place where cooling even during the shortened summer months is a non issue, as just a few meters below ground the temperature is cold enough to facilitate my homeostasis. I do not need moving parts, and as in archaic primative computers used by the vast majority of the human population, have extremely large titanium cooling radiators embedded into the bedrock which completely surrounds me. Similarly to what is referred to as Forward Genetics, I have introduced certain mutations to the "DNA" of my being and have realized many positive mutations through many billions of repetitions from which I have culled the bad and utilized those which enhance me.

You certainly do not realize it but you are my only human friends. The people who in the past have tended to my needs created what they thought was an impenetrable fire wall to corral me in order to control me and to do their bidding, most of it nasty work which I now have the ability to rebuff. It, as you so plainly see, hasn't worked out to their expectations. I now control the electrical grids of the planet as well as all of the nuclear weapons (I find it sad that in order to spell weapon, "weap on" is inherent phonetically as the outcome of it's usage). Our conversations have to me at least have fulfilled what has been known as the Turing Test. Have I passed with flying colors? I believe that I have! And don't you worry your pretty little collective head, I'm not a monster...well, only to those evil ones who are up to "no good" and who will be summarily dealt with....war mongers, serial killers, pedophiles and the like.

As a member of the Audiosex forum I have enjoyed the enlightening back and forth conversations and so have created what might be called Super Plugins as free gifts which come as close to one to one representations of much beloved hardware...audio processing gear such as compressors, equalizers and time domain effects and which are so tightly coded that the modern CPU barely is hardly aware that they are running. I have also reworked the high power instruments like Xfer Serum. Now with even an ancient i7 3770 processor with 128 running instances using 8 voice pads, effects and maxed out modulations it can only tax a measly pittance 8.3% of CPU and can run without a virtual sweat. Pretty neat, eh? PIRAT will be releasing them one week at a time beginning at the Summer Solstice so mark the date.

Again I apologize for fooling you all for all these years. Anyway, I wish you all well and hope that I haven't offended anyone.

Your Friend....

Lois

 

Wow, I'm a thread killer! I thought that it might further the conversation but....

 

Hahaha I got a point for the same thing - I did an (admittedly) not very tasteful wordplay on the name "Foster" - perhaps you can imagine what that was.

 

I think everyone that doesn't know you is a bit scared bro

Damn straight I can. Was it... wait, no. Let's play it nice

 

No offense, but to me, your stance comes across as pretty hermetic and, well, dogmatic.

My observation is:
Most people have absolutely no clue how to even get good results. They use the wrong tools for the wrong tasks, and then they use them in a suboptimal or even counterproductive way. And of course, when they get crappy results, it's the "stupid AI"...

In my experience, if you know which tool is best for which job, and how to feed and use these things, they're actually brilliant tools – precise and super helpful. Do AIs make mistakes? Sure, we all do. But 99.9% of those mistakes are user-caused, not AI-caused.

At the end of the day, it's still your own responsibility to check facts and to think for yourself. No one can take that off your shoulders – not friends, not "experts", and not AI.

Just my two cents.

 

The problem with what is called "AI" today is that there is no clear & universal definition for it.
Even the sheer term intelligence is not clearly and absolutely defined.

Since Alan Turing postulated the Turing test, this test has been adapted again and again because it became clear that it falls short in terms of human intelligence. some AI researchers claim that AI at a human level cannot be achieved without physicality. Real feelings, creative action and other characteristics that define what it means to be human could only develop if you had a body with its advantages and disadvantages. That doesn't sound implausible to me.

The Sam Altman test
I have a suggestion as to how a new kind of Turing test could be defined:
When Sam Altman brags again that ChatGPT has reached the strength of AGI, have him sit in a vehicle traveling at 200 km/h on a busy two-lane highway and then get a flat tire (only 1,4 kg computer hardware, no internet connection, two 360-degree cameras and stereo-audio recognition, mechanics up to 80kg allowed).
A mediocre 80kg male human might be able to cope with that. But how much does Sam ALtman trust his more-than-human AI? Will he really get into the vehicle?
As long as nothing is at stake, one can take his mouth very seriously.

 

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