I read the article. The question Im posing. Why is it ok for one form of hacking to be ok and another to not be ok in your mind?

They both are causing malice in some form. Hacking has existed well before AI and well before technology.

Also humans to do malicious things and always will. They also do amazing things and always will. Technology of all forms and titles have made that possible. A spear can help us survive but it can also kill our neighbor. We can split an atom and power millions but split one and kill millions.

 

Easy peezy - seeing you got an A.I. to make a calendar that perhaps you may or may not be able to code yourself, that's neither here nor there, most hackers in their original form only ever did it to see how something worked. do not confuse hacking with warez. Hacking only becomes warez when it is shared. Another idiom - GAMES - how many major gaming companies have used the Unreal engine and hacked it to pieces for their own ends? Too many to list.

Phishing, ransomware and similar malicious forms of what is now called hacking, well, if you think this is a good thing, then maybe rethink your stance because innocent people get hurt, not just businesses and corporations. You did say you read all of it after all

You cannot just look at one aspect of it. I find it quite incredulous that you are in many ways because you're certainly not stupid.

The A.I. you are ignoring the flip side on, ask the coder if they ever hacked anything to see how it worked. If he or she said no, I'd call them a liar.

EDIT - P.S - Phishing, ransomware and similar malicious forms of what is now called hacking I do not consider true hacking. It's more like cyber extortion. Hackers just copped the flak from the dishonest ones which reinforces both of our points. The good gets tarnished with the same brush because of the bad.
Nonetheless, you cannot ignore the bad. That's plain dangerous to do that.

 

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Cool by me. On all you said. Really not trying to keep it going.

The calendar thing is a pet project on another forum post That doesn’t involve this topic. Just sharing with people who might not have deep coding skills but creative ideas for something that there are tools to do that.

I also helped create http://tryreplay.io and Http://weights.gg too. I know a bit of coding I also know a bit of guitar too. But I’m better at using a Kontakt library of a guitar patch to convey what’s in my mind.

 

Don't get me wrong, but that's a little naive. The only ones not making money out of R2R releases are R2R themselves, don't forget that they exepect from you that you try before you buy. The scene makes money from releases. The sister site makes money indirectly from releases, even if they are not selling it. It's not Bezzos type money but it's money nonetheless. Servers, hosting and moderation has to be paid in some form.

Releases takes the hard work of people and give it for ads money, upload service money or just plain money. It's piracy. We are not the good guys here. So all these debates around AI tech in this forum, is like, yeah, let's discuss around the angels' genitalia as long as it amuses us but... c'mon.

Going a layer deep into the AI tech is going on it's unavoidable politics, the agents involved and the correlation of forces. And because that's against forum rules we keep circling around the finger that point to the moon instead cause debating about the moon herself is not allowed.

 

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It's wonderful that opinions vary because life would be so boring. I am pretty sure R2R clearly says something like "Don't make money from it support the good developer". They even frown on people who do make money from their releases.

If people decrypt someone's product and sell it like they own it, it is not the same as giving it away without the slightest charge. To me that's just obvious, not naive. While it is my choice, I make money from a lot of my work so my upbringing and conscience do not allow me to use something a lot for free. If I know I will use it a lot and possibly make money from it, I buy it. But that's me. I do not expect anyone else to feel the same because we all have to live life on our own terms. But naive? At my age, definitely not.

 

That's great. It's good for the soul. I have been playing, writing and orchestrating for a substantially long time. I am totally comfortable on any platform, acoustic, analog or digital, with or without computers, sequences and/or samples, romplers etc etc. That suffices.
Cheers

 

You as a user pay for everything, your provider, your hardware, operating system, services, etc. Since the billionaires rarely give you anything from their immense wealth, R2R is the answer, they give something for free and when they have a little more money left over, they are politely asked to support developers.

The Internet should bring more knowledge and prosperity to the world for everyone. The big capitalists did a huge business, it also created new jobs. R2R and other teams ensure a small balance so that poor people also benefit from technological progress.

Those who have no money are left out? The crackers also offer graphic design and other tools so that poorer people can earn some extra money.

They wouldn't be able to afford this software without the cracker teams. If the rich gave the poorer people more money, we wouldn't need cracker teams.

 

And then the political debate begins. I'm totally on your side, don't get me wrong, and the only real problem I see on disruptive technologies and the inequality they bring to the world are un-unionized workers. I'm in an union since my teens, pays regulary it's cuota even if I don't need it, I've colaborated in multiples "resistance boxes" all my life. But if we need to relay on people like R2R to bring balance, well, we are pretty much fucked.

 

Hello comrade @Demloc!

Yes, exactly, like here in the forum, we're at least networked and can (still) exchange ideas. As long as those down there don't get smart, educate themselves and get together, little will change. Most people hang out alone at home on their PCs and that's called isolation or the individual. As a society, we're actually atomized or, to put it mildly, defragmented.

I am also a union member and a big fan of cooperatives and self-managed companies. Of course, rights are still fought for and enforced through strikes. Of course, you don't have to buy products from big companies or pay for their services.

Warren Buffet once said: we, the rich class, are waging war against the poor, but we won this war long ago. R2R, V.R, Team Air: You take what you get, we have no choice but to exchange things with each other via the Internet or use free open source and freeware.

Nobody knows who they will arrest next or which platform will disappear.

 

Intensive AI use reduces self-confidence

Excessive use of AI can impair one's decision-making ability and self-confidence.
However, further research is needed in this area, according to a study.

Open AI, in collaboration with the MIT Media Lab, published a study examining the well-being of ChatGPT users – and whether signs of dependency develop with continued use. The researchers concluded that emotional, or empathic, dependency on chatbots is rare, but can still potentially occur. Users affected by this behavior see the AI as an important friend who plays a significant role in their lives.

But even those who use the technology for non-personal conversations are at risk of becoming dependent on it in other ways. A small group of users in the study showed a tendency to use ChatGPT almost compulsively, delegating almost all decisions to the AI. According to the study authors, this could negatively impact their ability to act and their self-confidence.

March 27, 2025
www.itmagazine.ch/artikel/84351/Intensive_KI-Nutzung_reduziert_Selbstvertrauen.html

 

Ai is a weapon, disguised as a tool. It is used as bait to lure the curious, the lazy and the greedy. What it delivers they will not find useful or desirable. Still there will be many racing to embrace their own demise, cause its cool or fire or saves me 5 minutes, or a multitude of excuses or manipulations by their social pressure/propaganda.

If you possess caution and intelligence and a desire for self preservation, I suggest you keep it as far away from yourself and your loved ones for as long as you can. There will be many who will gladly become cannon fodder to show the true nature of what is being built, watch them from a distance and prepare a path in accordance with what you observe.

 

I'm happy for people like you who still use their brains and are free. Those who sleep now will wake up in digital prison. The computer will suck your creativity and your own thinking like a vampire, and if the power goes out, you'll quickly realize that you're completely dependent on your smartphone. You'll beg for electricity, breaking windows to get a solar panel to charge your phone.

 

at first i was positive about a.i but now i start to hate it.. really hate it because the ai is supposed to solve all problems for us
are we getting dumber? being dumb is not FUN

 

Not at all. The world forgot that when it is united it cannot be shat on. Spotify, Amazon and a pile of other conglomerates and corporates worked out people won't take them to task so they can do whatever they want. It will change, because it historically always has, but we may not see it in our lifetimes.

 

In a world where all communication is monitored, categorized and threats to the system itself are prioritized above all else in real time, or even now as with audio compression, in look ahead mode, it will become increasingly more difficult to inact change for the benefit of the majority. The pacification of the masses is a craft that has been honed for millenia, and now the tools are so sophisticated, that blade is as sharp as a scalpel. They've done well to divide us else in numbers they'd be overrun...hence my cutting analogy...to divide us emotionally, spiritually and intellectually...and with the wholesale use of AI, hypnotically making us believe we can do everything individually and not in the groups that pool strengths, best ideas and foster comradery. Divide and conquer at an individual basis is the gold standard. How many people making music on this forum create in a band?

 

A.I will be the go-to for advertising agencies, streaming sites and more. Some sites already have A.I tunes in their top playlists.
When it manages to get better sounding Orchestral and more complex music sounding less fabricated, it will probably replace the Zimmers and other scoring players as well. I have heard some people say the A.I Orchestras sound real, no, they do not. They sound like shitty samples no musician would use. They will get better because that is the principle of the A.I learning curve.

I am not saying it is a good thing by any means because it is technically putting people out of work who cannot possibly record, mix and release a tailored piece of music in five minutes, and definitely not at the cost of buying the license to use the A.I generated piece. It is just the way it is going and noticeably accelerating on a weekly basis. Realistically, many people will always go for the cheapest and fastest option if it does the job.

Nobody has to like something that will take over what they got used to. They just have to accept it. Unfortunately, it will have side-effects like plugins, DAW's and anything to do with recording relegated to entertainment because the people who might have got work from it, won't anymore, other than mixing or only mastering something the A.I did because in that area, they won't be needed other than in the last stage. That will also eventually be replaced too and in many ways, already have.
@Lois Lane - great find with Fahrenheit 451

 

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The American Writer's Guild went on strike about replacing actors with A.I.

I do not know how long it will last, but if you apply the identical current music techniques to film, here's the end result.

1. Writer/Author gives story to A.I
2. Tells A.I the language, emotional content, locations for each scene, what tools are used (utensils, weapons etc...), theme, lighting color, genders, ages etc etc - the works, like a screenplay/script and synopsis.
3. Tells A.I in the script what the incidental music is, what the scores and film tune styles are, what the vocal main theme with lyrics or Orchestral theme is... etc
4. Tells A.I to render it.
5. One full feature film created. No more cameramen, no more lighting people, nor sound editors, nor Director, nor actors, just an A.I, no people.
   
   Based on what is happening with music, it is not that far away.

P.S. - A.I. can already do the above, it's just not allowed to replace - yet.

 

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Copyright Lawsuits: How AI Companies Are "Stealing" the Internet and Possibly Getting Away With It - June 20, 2025

The fact that Hollywood studios like Disney and Universal are now also taking action against AI services is further increasing the pressure in copyright lawsuits. AI providers – from OpenAI to Meta to Midjourney – are justifying their actions with fair use rules. Analyst Timothy B. Lee analyzes the key points of these lawsuits.

Source: /www.computerbase.de/artikel/netzpolitik/ai-copy-right-klagen-2025.93168/
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