That's the result after installing Primocache 4.4.1 on my Windows 11 24h2 Studio Computer.

I installed 96GB (2x48GB) on a Gigabyte Aorus 870E Pro Ice with a AMD Ryzen 9-7900

64 GB for Windows and 32GB for Primocache which is set for all NVMe drives.

I have never had such a fast system ever.

I havent bought Primocache yet, its still on its 30 Days Trial without limitations.

The Standard Transferrates of my Samsung EVO990Plus are on the next picture.



and a standard Crucial SSD 1TB MX500 no primocache



and here the same 1TB Crucial SSD with Primocache



These results are pretty amazing and unexpected to be honest.

The combination of DDR5-6000Mhz and Primocache is awesome.

So far i tried Studio One 7 which is starting up in under 5 seconds now, Medium Projects load at the same speed around 5-6 seconds.

Different Games like Starfield, Guild Wars 2 and others.
Windows 11 itself cant be faster, no delays, everything is almost instant.

The Cache is permanent and is loaded every Windows Boot.

crazy stuff !!

if you have questions feel free to ask.

 

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I used to mess with RAMdisks years back,
problem is, unless you do fit all the frequently accessed files into the RAM capacity, you're wasting what could be used elsewhere,
I feel like my old system became "almost instant" fast after getting new NVME SSDs (with its own DRAM cache),
most programs (and especially games) don't really make use of those extra speeds yet

 

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Please read and learn about Primocache 1st. (its not a RamDisk)

And before you judge or compare it with old Trash RamDisks from our youth time in the 2000s, install it an Test it. Takes 10 minutes.

Its all automatic, enhancing over time, and that pretty perfect and dynamically.

Primocache is no traditional RamDisk. That would be PrimoRamdisk, a extra product.

Primocache is truly something special nothing else out there compares.

you have to do nothing but set up the drives you want to Boost.

 

5 sec load on S1 v7 ?

ryzen 7 5700x, 32gb ddr4, win11 24h2/ReviOS (no telemetry, no defender)
Kingston KC3000 PCIe 4.0 NVMe (brutal)
no fancy ramdisk. but thanks anyway. enjoy your rig !

 

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yea it's a glorified HMB (host memory buffer) your EVO990Plus should do natively "for free" under Windows 11

PS: benchmarking 16MiB filesize is rather worthless

 

We should see benchmarks on real I/O heavy workloads to see the actual difference.

I'm not putting down FS caches, of course not. It's just that they're most beneficial in things like read-heavy multi-client databases and shared large storage with slow disks in it. So I'm guessing this wouldn't add to realistic track counts, or amounts of plugins. I think I'd personally prefer the extra RAM, and just tweak my OS cache.

Remember ReadyBoost? While the idea was sound, boosting slow disks with faster random access media (USB disks in this case), it amounted to very little in practice. I've still got a 750GB HDD with a SSD cache, and it kind of works... for the first seconds of I/O before the cache is filled and it's back to slow disk again.

 

Hi
I'm planning to build a new pc to replace an ~11-yo one (Gigabyte Z170X-Gamimg 5 + I7 6700) and the X870E platform seem interesting
Could you tell me if it worth the price? Is BIOS stable enough? Have you activated EXPO mode? TIA

 

You should actually be very careful with brand-new products; they usually
come to market too quickly and then it takes weeks to fix the bugs.

USB4 as the only new feature

Motherboards with this consistent chip aren't simply a 1:1 copy of their predecessors, however, because AMD is bringing another piece of silicon into play: X870 and X870E boards are required to solder an additional USB4 controller. This was, of course, already possible, as demonstrated by several X670E flagships with Intel's "USB4 compliant" Thunderbolt controller JHL8540 ("Maple Ridge", 40 Gbps Thunderbolt requires a license, USB4-40G compatibility unclear, support for USB 3.1 but not for 3.2 at 20 Gbps) as well as Gigabyte's B650E Aorus Pro X USB4 with ASM4242 (USB 3.1, 3.2, and USB4 40G, but no Thunderbolt 4). In the 800 series, the latter seems to be winning the race.

Compared to the competition

Compared to its predecessors, the situation is clear, but what about the duel with Intel? On their Socket 1700 motherboards, PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slots are generally only available via graphics card lane sharing, making them unattractive for gamers. Conversely, boards with at least three USB 3.2 slots have been around for some time, while the X670(E) allows a maximum of two, and the B650(E) even just one. The additional USB capabilities of the X870E and X870 turn a weakness into a strength, while the qualitative loss of 5.0 capabilities merely reduces a significant lead to a still considerable one. Quantitatively, however, the X670E was already slightly behind; Z790 motherboards have more PCI-E resources. The X870E falls further behind, and the X870 even falls below the B760 mid-range.

AMD's main problem, however, is likely yet to come: The jump from the 600 to the 800 series is a direct reaction to Intel, whose 700 generation, despite extending the Socket 1700 lifespan from two to three years, is expected to soon give way to the Z890 – along with Arrow Lake. Leaks suggest that the latter will feature an exclusive 5.0 × 4 link for M.2 SSDs (=> PCI-E 5.0 tie with the X870E) as well as two native Thunderbolt 4 ports including USB 4 capability (=> USB 4 tie with the X870E), while still maintaining a relatively high number of I/O hub lanes, all of which should support 4.0 speeds. Such a configuration would have no overall disadvantages compared to X870E designs, but would offer significantly more spare resources for additional M.2 slots, PCI-E slots, or additional controllers, and a corresponding upgrade is expected in the mid-range B760 successor.

Buying X870/X870E Boards: The Price (Preview) Question

The fact that the X870E doesn't clearly occupy a top position in the motherboard market, and that the X870, unlike the B650E, is no longer "quite good" but rather sufficiently equipped, doesn't make boards based on it bad deals. On the contrary: For many users, the X670E and Z790 were too large and too expensive; the B650E class also ranks significantly higher in price and features than its once very popular, nominal B350 predecessors. Offering less for less could therefore be a real winning concept - but one that AMD and partners are not pursuing, or rather cannot pursue due to the high requirements of the AM5 platform for routing and voltage converter quality.

Source: www.pcgameshardware.de/Mainboard-Hardware-154107/Specials/X870-X870E-im-Detail-1456565/3/

 

If the read and write figures are even close to accurate, that's not great, it's exceptional.
It's quite incredible how far speeds have come in as little as five years.

 

It would be interesting to see how it fares under stress (i.e. real word conditions) like in a video rendering or 3D capacity over time.

 

What's the exact use case though? My DAW, browser, file manager, music app and all my frequently used stuff is never evicted from cache (RAM), so start-up times are virtually always CPU-bound.

Loading the game I play once per day at 6GiB/s vs 30GiB/s (when most of the time is spent decoding assets on the CPU anyway) doesn't seem very "must have" to me.

Kinda feels like putting speed stripes on your car to make it go faster.

 

For your described workflow, faster storage offers marginal gains since your bottleneck lies in CPU-bound tasks like decoding assets.

Upgrading the CPU or optimizing software would yield more noticeable improvements than investing in ultra-fast storage. Your analogy about "speed stripes on a car" aptly captures this tradeoff—it looks impressive but doesn't necessarily improve real-world performance for your use case.

Source: AI

 

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I didn't want to start a petty argument about whether PrimoCache is worth it or not. If I had wanted to know what one or another self-proclaimed expert here thinks about it, I would have clearly phrased it as a question. I paid a few euros more for the 96GB than for 64GB, and PrimoCache doesn't cost anything yet, with 27 days of the trial still remaining.

Today, two days after I installed it and after endless testing with all kinds of software, I can say that my entire system—I mean everything—benefits from the 32GB I allocated from 96GB of memory to PrimoCache.

Even 7GB read and 6GB write operations on the Samsung 990 feel slower compared to the cached data. When I switch off PrimoCache, it's definitely not as fast.

So far, there have been no crashes or data loss under heavy load.

Boot time has increased by about 5 seconds to load 15-30GB of data for caching.

Well, everyone can test it for themselves in just a few minutes. This post was intended for curious tinkerers who want to try something out, not to attract know-it-alls who are everywhere in the PC world, always explaining how useless software like PrimoCache, RAMdisks, etc. are.
I know plenty of such people... and they bore me. Their music is just as boring as they are.

5-10 minutes are enough to test whether it works or not if you have spare system memory. People who don't want to try it out should just leave it be. It's that simple. Have fun experimenting, to those who enjoy this kind of thing

 

Finally, a satisfied user of the most modern technology on this planet. I think it's good that you introduced us to this tool and shared your own practical experience. Manufacturers themselves always try to highlight the advantages of their products.

I'd like to share my opinion on testing:
No matter what tools you use to push your hardware to its limits, stress tests always put a strain on the components being tested. It also affects the lifespan of the components being tested. In my opinion, you should only test once and then save the results.

I have a problem with your chosen term "tinkerer," I know that young people in particular use that term. But in principle, there's nothing to tinker with on a PC; there's only upgrading, i.e., replacing components or removing dust from the case and fans. Removing and replacing hard drives.

Spoiler: The term "crafting" refers to the creative activity of creating handcrafted objects or decorations using various materials and tools.

The term "crafting" refers to the creative activity of creating handcrafted objects or decorations using various materials and tools.

Often, simple tools are used, such as paper, scissors, glue, paints, and other crafting materials. Crafting can be both a relaxing pastime and a way to express one's creativity. It's a popular activity for children, but adults also enjoy crafting to create gifts or decorate the home. If you'd like to know more about specific crafting techniques or ideas, please let me know!

 

Ok here is my system upgrade after 10 years using an Intel Xeon1230V3 with 32GB memory on a Z97 Board.

The PC

Gigabyte Aorus 870E Pro Ice Mainboard
AMD Ryzen 9-7900 - Quiet and Low Energy > ECO MODE low Heat , wraith cooler which i replace soon
Patriot 6000- 96GB DDR5 memory EXPO mode 1, AIDA Benchamrk 80GB read , 79GB write , 77GB copy 64ns Latency
AMD RX7600 GPU for some gaming and low energy and low heat
2x Samsung EVO990 Plus 7GB read and 6GB write
2x 1TB SSD´s , 2x 2TB SSD´s SATA, different manufacturers
A Generic ATX Tower nothing special.
Everything is quiet and stable after BIOS Fan tuning and Thermal settings.
4 Fans 2@Front , 1@Rear , 1@bottom to AC extra
Windows 24H2 26100.1742 Updates Disabled un-bloated and optimized.

The PC all parts included was ~1900 Euro maybe cheaper now after almost 3 weeks.

External Hardware if curious

3 Monitors >>> Ilyama 32" center Samsung, AOC 2x 24" left and right
Presonus IOStation24c and Behringer UMC404HD
M-Audio Trigger finger PRO
X-Evolution Midi controller (yes i still use it after almost 20years)
External SSD drives and a 4TB WD NAS drive for DATA
Microphone SE-Electronics SE1000 ( i love it)
External Compressor/Limiter, Mackie VLZ1602 and some common Rack Units.
Amplifier and Monitor Speakers which i wont name to avoid discussions, it a matter of taste anyway
2 USB 3.2 Hubs with 12 connectors each on the USB3.2 connectors @ the mainboard
2x Samsung 256GB USB Sticks 400MBs read 150MBs write

I can tell you that making modern EDM music with all the LFO´s, Filters, Effects with VSTi´s is now much more fun than it ever has been.
I do not have to Transform VSTi into .wav anymore since the CPU has so much power.
Studio One 7 or Cubase 14 are both loading up in hyper speed, my projects took 15-20 seconds to load now under 5 sec.
I can set Buffers to 128 from 256 without any loss of CPU power.
The 870E Chipset offers a lot of experimental settings for experienced users and simple settings > all AUTO for everyone
So far it took me 2 weeks to learn almost everything about this Chipset and the BIOS, its awesome.

If AMD continues to build AM5 CPUs in the next 2-3 years its simple to upgrade to a incoming 32-Core or better, CPU in 2027 with 3nm technology and super low Energy... that's what i plan.

My old XEON1230v3 will be my new TV Station.

 

"Tinkerer" comes from chatGPT.... it helped me to correct my bad English.
Now i know you do not like it and i wont use it again.

 

could you please enable Plugin Scan and all services and not just this empty Version?
If i start Studio One 7 with your settings it is Instant as well.
Windows Defender doesn't matter on modern CPU anyway, and you can set exceptions quick..
Primocache is no Ramdisk its a Dynamic Cache System which permanently adopts to the user.

Boaaa... why did I even post this thread??
I thought some people who annoy me here didn't exist anymore since the 1990s....
Obviously, these old 50+ year old people are still complaining about everything and know everything better...

 

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you can download Primocache as i did and install it in under 5 minutes .
its possible to stop caching - restart and work with or without it to see the difference.

DaVinciResolve is much faster with activated Primocache on my PC while editing videos.

I think fast 96GB or 128GB is a must if you work with huge projects and want to use Primocache for boost.

i set 32GB for caching which leaves me 55.6 GB left for windows and apps

With 128GB memory you could set Primocache to 48GB or 64GB.

 

yes i remember ReadyBoost on Windows XP i think it was introduced.
i bought 2 fast USB Sticks for it and it worked well with my slow HDDs
I used ReadyBoost until i bought my 1st SSD a Crucial 240GB in 2013.

 

Hello @N.Sodokin, that's a bit too general and a black-and-white way of thinking. These days, you meet more and more people who simply generalize things. It doesn't matter whether someone is 17 or 77. There is knowledge and ignorance, opinions, myths, and religious beliefs; it has nothing to do with age.

What you're claiming isn't entirely correct. Please replace "all" with "some"! Then we'd be a big step forward. If you don't like criticism or a different opinion, you shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.

There are also young people who know everything better, but you have to get along with them, and you have to accept other opinions in forums, even if you don't like them. We have a big problem today that some people no longer listen, and some people no longer accept opinions different from their own.

Now, after some backlash, you're asking yourself why you posted that in the first place. That's irrational. Question yourself as to why you came to that conclusion. What happened that made you question your actions (posting)?