Generative AI is a Parasitic Cancer

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  1. Radio

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    Superfluous: When AI takes over the job

    Until recently, humans were indispensable for creating texts, images or music, but image and language programs are now delivering unexpectedly good results. The billion-dollar companies behind them are benefiting. The creative minds whose data is used secondarily to feed the programs are often left empty-handed.

    Artificial intelligence (AI) is now hitting those who did not expect it. Those who thought that what they were creating was unique. Those who thought they were irreplaceable: the creatives.
     
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    Dogs reading this will be thinking, 'great, the human will be home all day - lots of walks!' whereas the human will be thinking 'well, I have to eat something, sorry Fido'.
     
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    it was a link to the recording that I stumbled upon, and no I didn't "create" the chat. What do I expect? My background includes computer programming down to machine code (back in the day) and then a few years studying philosophy. So my interest is more the possible eventual point of a computer reaching a state that is, or is so close to being sentient, that it it indistinguishable from sentient life. Reaching that point raises so many questions, would the life be granted rights? After all its self aware.. etc. As for society in general? When the working classes get replaced by machines that's called market forces. When the middle classes start to get replaced on-mass there may well be a call that is headed and an international agreement to halt the research. As happened with the cloning of humans and other research that was deemed "too dangerous". As for the tech in general I'm kind of ambivalent as I have no control over it. Right now the tech is still in its infancy and you could argue is no more than brute force repetitive. But from a philosophical point of view its interesting to watch it unfold. From a societal perspective, well who knows how its going to play out...
     
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    People are doing everything that is possible, from bioweapons to nuclear missiles to AI, but it is the legislator who sets the rules and allows, prohibits or sets rules for its use.
     
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    This is my grandmother's recipe for Panpychism. It's yummy!! I myself use a little more tumeric and a little less psychism. I like it better this way than in a casserole cooked in the oven.
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    Exactly! Stanislaw Lem implied in some of his stories that it's an endless cycle of the biological creating the cybernetic and back and forth and back and forth.
     
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    Man is trying to recreate himself and extend his finite life with the help of a computer. He would also like to incorporate the knowledge from his brain into a machine so that it can exist forever. Unfortunately, rational man has completely lost faith in his creator.
     
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    Literary nothing impides you for doing the exact same with LLM models. Faster, like when you donwload and read a bunch of pdfs on the computer instead of having to walk into the library to check all those books by yourself. I think you base your arguments on your bias towards the companies that are giving "AI" services, like ChatGpt, Google, and the others propietar ones, and on that I can agree with you. But there is a really big ecosystem of opens source projects that are community curated and controled, where all those fears you have make no sense at all. Is like the fear of donwloading a book on the computer cause maybe someone can change the contents in the process.
     
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    aaand there's more, way more....

     
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    needs some sesame seeds or hemp seeds (hulled) and or pecans or cashews, but looks yummy... with garlic bread...
     
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    just a particularly lethal strain of botulism, its a very slow show. you can literally watch the bacteria double while you wait for the next plot point.

    Its actually Boufant the Campfire Slayer, about a hair dresser who works with Smokey the Bear to prevent forest fires and pisses off weekend campers. Its hilarious and frustrating by turns. That Josh Whedon sure knows how to rite..

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    Humans invent things to respond to external stimuli that are beyond their capabilities. You should read Marshall Macluhan's stuff. we have no internal mechanisms or organs to detect or manipulate x-rays, and yet we can control, generate and use x-rays for imaging and other purposes.

    Humans are rather excellent measuring devices, having mapped the planet we live on, the satellite that orbits it, and many of the planets in our solar system as well as creating catalogs of stars and star system some of which date back to the Greek empire.

    We call AI malfunctions hallucinations, because we are familiar with that term and activity in humans. AI don't hallucinate, its a term we give for an observed behaviour that humans can relate to.

    it is all right to have a debate about consciousness in the abstract, but when you are actively attempting to create a consciousness without understanding it, you are like a child building a fire in an apartment building stairwell, just wanting to see what will happen without understanding the consequences of your ignorant behaviour.

    There is a real danger to AI, and there needs to be real safeguards, just like bioweapon research.
     
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    The dream of a better future, Paris in the 21st century...

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    and the reality

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    Luddites were ahead of their time....
     
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    you would never, until its mandated to live in society. most people don't have a plan for lunch tomorrow, let alone what to do if society massively changes and they are captured by technology.

    start thinking today of how you can live outside the sytems being created to capture you. make plans, talk to people, like we are doing right now..
     
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    First of all, the term artificial intelligence is misleading and, as we know, the term was invented by marketing specialists.

    When humans came into the world, the world was empty, there were no houses, no electricity, no water pipes, they had to learn to hunt and grow crops in order to survive. They had to use all their intelligence to build the world as it currently exists. Humans have endless creativity but a finite life.

    It is a huge mistake to give machines, whether robots or AI, something human. Given the wealth of knowledge that has been collected so far, AI, like IT, is a result of the mass of information, because a single person can no longer oversee or process this large amount of information. AI will help us with this. The term AI must definitely be replaced.
     
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    yes and legislators are a poor firewall, they can easily be bribed as history has shown, amazing in the USA how many millionaires in congress on a salary of a few 10's of thousand dollars in an expensive city.

    The ultimate firewall is public outcry another very poor firewall as the public is constantly manipulated with propaganda to not cry out, but to accept whatever has been planned for them.

    the last firewall is blowback, like when all the labworkers get killed by the virus bioweapon they are creating.
     
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    AI "may" help us, why do you think ai "will" help us? especially if it can reprogram itself on the fly, why would it remain whatever it is built by us to be, if we build it to be self reprogramming?

    AI should be in a sandbox, inside a sandbox, inside a sandbox running on a non rechargable battery, inside another sandbox.

    we take precautions when dealing with lethal viruses, AI should be treated as potentially lethal threat, until proven otherwise over a very long period of time.
     
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