...getting paid. The Shaggs were professional musicians.

 

i got it , he is a harvard professor doing a social engineering fieldtest with us....

 

hell yhea some grandmother shaming
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here this is the foster theme song

 

We already are

 

Again, your answers reflect a deterministic and elitist view of professionalism, suggesting that becoming a professional is rare due to the unavailability of ideal conditions for most people and a disregard for alternative paths in the process. Furthermore, there is a contradiction in downplaying the importance of tools and technical knowledge while advocating for detailed (specialized?) training, which undermines the foundational stages of learning. The generalization that a "specific timeframe" can be established for professionalization oversimplifies the individual complexity of the process. All this negativity and lack of practical solutions ultimately weaken the argument and risk discouraging those trying to understand what the OP is addressing.

 

It really depends on your IQ and the time you have. Some kids want to be producers yet never learn a bit of acoustics... I would say if you need to ask this, and are worried about your YOUTH, you might just want to give up now... IQ+perseverance=results / Luck = Lambourghini.

Seriously, it takes time and a lot of ingenuity and common sense mixed with a great DAW and the knowledge to make it do what you envision...

 

There are no pro producers.

You can either do it or you can’t.

There are pro muso’s because you need certain skills, knowledge, ability etc, to be able to perform solo or with others.

Proof of the pudding would be that Paul Hardcastle, Tim Simenon a good few others too, produced their first work, smash hits, soley to obtain their Engineering course diploma, don’t know if they achieved that though.

And, interestingly, both tracks were different and quite original for the time.

So, in answer to your query, no time, no time at all.

 

All of this is important, but more important than this is the methodologies of education and teaching. Most music teaching methods are wrong in both books and videos. Teachers teach wrong contents to students. Almost all teachers themselves don't know what is right or wrong. What is the expectation from a person who has learned a lot of things wrong?

 

We almost don't have professional musicians at the moment. Deep baseless insubstantial imaginations have caused such sweet dreams about proficiency in their minds. Thick-coming phantom power ...

 

fTRoLLster, you're a piece of work, you know? Of course, 'cos Mozart, Beethoven, Ravel composed thinking about how they would be analyzed by pedantic music scholars (on popular music forums) centuries later. Popular music, to a formalist academic, might even be conceptualized as lowbrow, but at least it's not "no bro!"! how many streams does your loved new complexity/avant-garde music have on playlists around the world? In this worst-case scenario, syntax is designed to produce a series of meanings in which all are "legitimate" and "dependent on the listener" (the aesthetic meaning results from the free enjoyment of each person). And then, the real result of your nonconformity and annoyance lies in the fact that common people's sense of categorization doesn't understand your almight concept of "anything goes in the search for free explorations in music" (new complexity), which then derives into the condition of general inaccessibility. You always criticize what is the current norm, traditionally, but forget that even illustrious composers used money from popular music to fund his experiments: without 'lowbrow' there would be no 'highbrow.' Or do you think your research grant falls from the sky?

From your point of view, professor, mass culture and traditional music teaching are mistakes. After all, who needs cultural relevance when you can have 1 sympathetic colleague, 1 regretful listener witnessing the chaos manifested in sound, and a dog barking in the background at some "new music" concert? Congratulations, you’ve guys transcended the need for an audience and can now compose for your own navel-gazing (as always)!

 

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What is the expectation? It is that you should have realised at some point that you were being taught incorrectly. If you had a serious and genuine interest in the topic, you would have immersed yourself in it so deeply, used so many varied sources, experimented so much on your own that you would have undoubtedly understood the level of (in)correctness of your initial approach at some point.

 

Youth is wasted on the young. Welcome to Life.

 

It's impossible.

 

Why?

 

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

 

Depends on the balls you massage, choose well my friend

 

If this method were to work, everyone would be a music master by now. Music doesn't work based on feelings and emotions and all that.

 

Music is a complex equation with infinite variables. Even the fastest quantum computers cannot solve the music equation, let alone humans. I could say that music is one of the 10 most complex equations that humans have ever dealt with. Maybe even one of the first three and they still haven't been able to straighten it out.
The interesting point is that no one still knows the music equation itself, let alone how to solve it.

 

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