I still haven't been able to find out what exactly is the problem of members left comments in this thread with me. I say that an artist needs money like any other job, but the members disagree with me. The reason for these objections is really unknown to me.
Everyone loves Santa Claus because of his gifts. If you don't give someone a gift once, everyone will be unhappy with it.

 

troll elsewhere
maybe tik tok
here youre burned , to much plain reaction seeking pile of nonsense

 

I like to be friendly with everyone, but I think you don't like it very much. You do not add anything special. If you pay attention to your own posts, then you will know who is trolling here.

 

You probably never will it can be a spectrum thing. Some introspection could possibly be of value... empathy is involved. Empathy by you for what people are saying TO YOU, not the other way around.
Cheers!

 

In the making of the film, we have a producer and many other factors. The producer deals with financial and logistics issues and the rest do their own work. Actors sign a contract with the producer and start working, and in the end they get their money from the producer.
Actors do not enter the economic part of film production because artists are not interested in economics. I am coming to the conclusion that the musicians are not interested in the economy too and are waiting for a producer or investor to be found and gives them money, otherwise they will not do anything to advance their own economy because they do not have an economic goal.

 

@Incontro how do you earn your income?

 

BOOM

 

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A friend of mine once said something wise by accident, "there's art, then there's eat".

10cc put it like this:

 

A good question maybe that would be the topic of future threads, but for now we should focus on whether the artist needs money or not. Because we have not yet reached a common point on this issue. Some still don't believe in the necessity of having money or earning it.

 

Just keep in mind that Santa Claus comes to your door only once a year and there is no Santa the rest of the year.
Where are the Santas the rest of the year?

 

Why? Unlike Marxists, philosophers and children, I live in reality. I know how the actual world works. Useless debate about how things sHoULd bE wastes my time. I deal with how things are.

 

Mate, you are distorting reality and disrupting the space time continuum here with your flawed logic.

IF you really need money, and money is important to an immediate situation, like you have a starving wife and kids to support, or keep a roof over their heads. Are you telling me that in such a scenario, you would say, "sorry folks, I love you and all, but we all have to starve for a while until I start making some money out of music".

REALLY? No, most sane and caring human beings would find something else to do that generates income.

There's being delusional, and shouting "Simon, please please don't kill my dream","pay me money" ... then there's reality/sanity!

 

 

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Having moved on from the classic "...Only great force can destroy a paradox... while one pole tries to eat the other pole..." a statement so void it's almost poetic...

And moved on to
"...Artists are THE MOST unemployed people in society. EVERYONE has a job in society EXCEPT artists..." .. do we need to fact check this?

And
"Governments and organizations do not accept ART as a job"... not entirely true but....

And finally to statements about Santa.... nice...

Putting the Santa statement to one side. You seem to be arguing for Full Time well paid work to do art (art as defined and enjoyed by you, and perhaps only you) a full time job where you have complete creative controll and no deadlines to produce anything or nothing, and be able to deliver whatever you like anytime you like and get payed each month for the rest of your life, guaranteed, regarless of output or quality.... BIG Surprise... No.

But if it does happen and you do find such a job please do let me know because I want in.

And No. This is not a paradox no matter how many bakers you throw in the mix.... non of this is paradoxical, not even for the bakers.

 

"In France, Performing Artists Are Guaranteed Unemployment Income"
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/954994402/how-france-is-helping-its-artists-during-the-pandemic

It may not reach all, or in all disciplines.. but at least is an example.

This doesn't happen everywhere ofc,
few developed countries get to this level, Sweden (early 2000's) comes to mind..