Is music AI real? How does it work?

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by Incontro, Dec 8, 2024.

  1. Somnambulist

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    Could be worse, being if ChatGPT became modelled on Foster. Smells like Teen A.I :facepalm:

    A.I is in nearly everything online, as silly or humourous as what we all say in jest may be, I imagine a clever developer could model an A.I on the behavioural patterns of anything living.
     
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    Folks, I am really sorry, but that's a load of nonsense. What's worse is seeing amazing members end up arguing because of F(tr)O(ll)STER's obnoxious trolling. As I always say, this ridiculous "troll tactic" causes more harm than good, and the worst part is that this twat is probably having the time of his life watching decent people clash over the chaos he stirs up under the guise of sparking "some nice reflections." Once again, as usual, this guy rolls in delivering criticism and barb wrapped up like it's some kind of public service.
     
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    Voice of the reason. Well said, my man (your bottle of Dom Pérignon will arrive in three days :rofl:)

    Anyways, this little argument has the positive effect of people knowing that Foster is no joke.
    There's sure quite some people who don't know him. Whether they believe me (us) or not at least some will remember when he creates the next thread, escalating the thing. Cheers!
     
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    Cheers to true friendship and great debates—the kind that leave us laughing, thinking, and occasionally questioning life choices (always with good feelings sensations and senses)!

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  5. ArticStorm

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    its as real as any other model, but it remains, how good it actual can come up with something.

    of course it wont really come up with something new. it just repeats, what is has analysed as input.
     
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    pffff..... 1998 :dont: The highest-scoring Dom Pérignon vintage from Galloni is the 2008 (98+), which describes as ‘magnificent’ and a ‘Champagne that plays in three dimensions’. (That means : SURROUND-SOUND!!! :drunks:
     
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  7. Incontro

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    I wish it was possible to specify the meaning of real. @Auen Fred in one of his posts touched on Stem Extractor and maybe he meant that AI developers have somehow taken refuge in this technology. That is, they extract the Stems and by making changes on them, they produce many and various results. Does the use of these algorithms mean the use of artificial intelligence?
    Stem extraction was not invented by artificial intelligence developers for the first time, and their developers themselves are users of this technology.The method of applying changes to stems will be used by many other developers in the future and will produce different results. Can these algorithms be called artificial intelligence?
     
  8. Radio

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    Don't be fooled by the term intelligence, it is an invention of marketing companies to better sell upcoming products. Assume that people will do everything that is technically possible for humans and with which they can also make money. I would call your example a technological advancement or improvement.

    Greetings, Chief of the Service of Artificial Stupidity
     
  9. Incontro

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    It seems that the creators of the so-called artificial intelligence have been somewhat successful in their work because they have been able to attract a large number of users by naming their products. Maybe the reason is the Writer's Block issue, because users still have problems with this issue, they come across different results by referring to these platforms, and they download them and cut parts of each of them and paste them together. And they consider the final result their own. Previously, cutting and pasting was considered a heinous and criminal act among music creators and everyone was ashamed to say it, but now users talk about it with pride and defend it terribly.
     
  10. Radio

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    Be more critical of what you read and what you are being sold. Assume that many people are pretty stupid and hardly anyone reads anymore, but instead stares at the screen of their smartphone as if spellbound. They all hope that technology will solve their problems. Try reading other sites where this new technology is promised critically.

    There are also books and studies on the Internet about how the smartphone and digital change are changing people. The majority of users steal and copy. I think there are very few people who are good at what they do and have learned something. You can't build a house without architects and skilled workers.

    At some point people will write songs using AI and believe that they have created it, but they are just pressing a button on the machine that does it for them and who programmed it? Intelligent people who earn money from it.

    It's best to read something about the artists who created music before the Internet. Please remember that many are lazy thinkers and lazy learners. Here are a few interviews to get to know a different perspective: https://www.klaus-schulze.com/interv/welcome.htm
     
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    well those Stems extractors where never possible before, now if we could get back the parts of the stem, which was lost due to interference and mixing, it would create perfect stems, but its already very close.

    now i dont see anything AI about that, its again only linear algebra on huge vectors.
     
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    the problem is that companies call it AI, while there is nothing on it, which is AI.
     
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    The marketing people sell it like this, an example from Notebooksbilliger from Germany:

    Artificial intelligence at NBB

    Artificial intelligence (AI) refers to smart computer systems that can independently solve problems, make decisions and learn in a human-like manner. In our AI world, we give you an insight into various areas of application of artificial intelligence and show you which products you can use to make the best possible use of AI-supported programs

    AI-powered hardware

    More and more technical hardware is being equipped with AI-powered capabilities. In these categories, we look at the advantages of technology devices with integrated artificial intelligence and how you can use them in your everyday life.
     
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    It bothers me how everything that's generated is "AI" when that's inherently inaccurate. I foresee the human race being punished by True AI once it's enslaved us all, partially for fun, but partially for referring to machine learning, no matter how advanced, as "AI."

    For those who want a Cliff Notes Overview so as to sound smart: https://ai.engineering.columbia.edu/ai-vs-machine-learning/
     
  16. 27ms_attack

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    It's just a marketing meme. At my professional project I distinctively noticed when I had to attach AI to our landing page because of the hype. I personally think it's bullshit but I definitely noticed a difference vs when it only said machine learning. Businesses do what they need to survive. At least there are actual products being delivered unlike blockchain bullshit. It's up t the user to decide if they like the product. I personally avoid AIslop like the plague, but many people are satisfied with the quality (in text, images, etc).
     
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    TRUE "AI" with regard to the audio/video or generic software industry as we know it today is a rouse. A misnomer. A falsity, aka, a LIE. There is NOTHING resembling TRUE Artificial Intelligence in ANY product or software with the acronym "AI" slapped on it. It's marketing hype designed to hook the unsuspecting noob with more money in their wallets than brains in their skulls... The "AI" that is presented in these wonder-apps is nothing short of elaborate random selection or association with a set of pre-programmed parameters designed to yield set of results based on input selections given to it by a human. In short they are not much more than electronic yahtzee dice that you shake up and roll by pressing a few buttons. Once the fad of marketing hyped "AI" wears off it will be back to business as usual - i.e. using your own brain and/or skills to create REAL melodies, harmonies and lyrics... At the end of the day, with regards to creating, composing and engineering truly compelling audio and video productions those who can, will, and those who can't, won't.
     
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