It's still not comparable at all. Every different synth or plugin, whether it be an emulation or something new, has different underlying code to reach their objectives. The way Arturia gets "minimoog" is far different code then what GForce uses etc... However they then turn that code into output to your daw, or how that compares to people considering audio engines in daws or whatever is kinda like comparing the gyro's in des moines, Iowa and a prince song kinda thing.

they just aren't related you know?

and yes, such coding and approaches and everything else ARE considered and spoken about. in depth. often. Why a lot of us don't like certain devs and/or prefer others.

 

I think 100% of softs could be out and people would still claim that the scene is on its way to the graveyard. There is so much stuff released each day that it's almost impossible to keep up, especially if you're actually spending time doing things like--oh, I don't know--working on music and/or audio.

People are just entitled and peeved that they can't get their hands on the most up-to-date version of some "exclusive" software which isn't even that special. It's not even that exclusive, as you can rent almost anything you want.

I think a lot of it is people looking for excuses at why they're not getting anything significant done. It must be the teams, the big bad evil corporations, the lack of high-speed hosts for free users, or whatever whatever.

 

You have to consider that when a team releases something to the entire world, the IP holders can easily figure out what exploit was used. If that exploit can be patched without affecting legit users then that makes the exploit useless in the future. Also, if multiple software depends on the same or similar protection then that will close the door on those as well.

Sometimes the teams keep stuff internal until there's a critical mass of softs which are worthwhile to release, and also so they and their peers can at least use the software for themselves instead of releasing it publicly and having to find a new approach to cracking it all when the protection gets changed by the IP holder.

 

they don' t, Studio one doesn' t sound like cubase, they don' t sound like bitwig , they don' t sound like PT and so on, you can make them sound the same but if you record an acoustic track with the same audio interface and play it through different daw's they don t sound the same

 

Read the link I have attached in an earlier comment. Here is an excerpt (Seems like the writer personally knows you .):

"Spend time on any forum devoted to any Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) software or music production and you are guaranteed to see users making claims about the superior audio quality of this or that DAW application. Protagonists will say a given program is clearly and audibly superior to another. To be frank, that's just nonsense. Any DAW application that uses, at least, 32 Bit floating point calculations (and today, that's all software), will process audio without introducing unwanted distortions, frequency response alterations or any other effect that would be 'clearly audible' so as to influence opinion. This ability to process audio without making unintended, audible changes is called 'transparency'. From a transparency perspective all DAW software is created equal."

 

Why don't you read what has been posted here instead of believing and spreading myths and fairy tales. You only believe it, but you don't want to read the evidence, because otherwise you would have to question yourself and that shouldn't happen. You are one of those people who you can't teach anything anyway because you have a block in your head. My condolences, you continue to lie to yourself.

 

If you're serious about making music, and there's something that you absolutely MUST have, then you'd have bought it already.

If not, then learn how to code.

 

Keep on reading, i keep on hearing

 

In that case, you may want to go see a specialist about your ears, sounds like you've got some issues with them..

 

What is your opinion on VLC Media Player? How does is sound compared to Studio One or PT?

 

What if they do in fact "sound different"? Most people do not pick their DAW software because of sonic comparisons with other DAWs. Well, unless one is poorly coded and very obviously junk...People pick their DAW over their feature sets, compatibility with their machine, the availability of it within their budget, and their familiarity with the application. So who really cares?

Conversely, I seem to remember many, many discussions between people who had a position on either side of 16bit 44.1 khz, compared with 24bit 48khz. Many of the 16bit 44.1 proponents always tried using the Nyquist theorem to show that anything over 22khz was not within the range of human hearing, and therefore it did not matter. All sounds would be sample accurate, due to Nyquist stating the sample rate must be 2x higher than it's highest frequency to be perfectly reproduced. Fast forward about a decade or so, and nearly all those on that side of the "facts" are now using 24 bit and putting up with bigger file sizes, higher CPU use, etc.

So why do we have all these dither plugins? Comparisons between individual dither plugins can "sound different" to the same individuals who suggest all DAWs sound the same. Timestretch algorithms people say sound different. One DAW's Warp vs another. On it goes. If someone wants to say 1 wave file playing in 2 DAW sound the same, there is no problem with that. It's when you actually begin using the DAW's various functions where those functions begin to impact fidelity in all these various ways the same people will admit actually matter.

All you really need to know is that your DAW is capable of making release quality sounding audio. If someone else can use the software to make good productions, then so can you.

 

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worry about yours

 

Remember, the other DAW manufacturers are just as affected by illegal software. If they like a product and can use it, they buy it.

 

I have used many different DAWS...Studio One, Logic, Pro Tools, Bitwig, Abelton and FL Studio. What I have noticed is that even the same DAW sounds different on different computers. Laptops seem to bring more "sameness" even with different brands such as Lenovo, Dell, Asus or HP under scrutiny of my rigorous testing protocol, though only when using the battery. The differences were exaggerated to a much, much greater degree when plugged into the electrical grid as can be shown in the graph (2/d) below. One of the variables that we didn't count on seeing was that of humidity. There was marked differences especially when testing a batch of Asus desktops. On days when the indoor humidity was over 68% the sound quality was all over the map when using a Wi-Fi mouse and keyboard, much less so when using USB varieties.

Testing will continue as long as our funding holds up, R2R being quite generous as well as from The Pirate who stokes our coffers whenever we DM him/her/they/we/mistress/master/them.

I'll post in the future as more results are tabulated.

Graph 2/d

 

Well, this kind of confirms my hypothesis I had written in 1969. However, your research is incomplete because you haven't tested the DAWs under water. I was present on the Titanic when it drowned. Fortunately, I had my laptop with me and the DAWs too. So I took the opportunity to test all the DAWs under water. After the rigorous testing, I came to conclusion that Pro Tools and Studio One sounds the best under water and the sounds quality gets even better as the depth increases. In other words the quality of audio is directly proportional to the depth of water. As to rule out any bias, I also asked a marmaid passing by and she confirmed the test results. This confirms the observation put forward by @duskwings above. So, unless you make music on the surface of the earth, which is extremely rare, you should stick to Pro Tools or Studio one.

 

Hopefully you will shut up

I asked Gemini:
The short answer is no, not all DAWs sound the same. While the core functionality of processing audio is the same across different DAWs, there are subtle differences in how they handle audio, which can lead to variations in sound quality.

Here are some factors that can contribute to these differences:

• Internal Processing: DAWs use different algorithms for tasks like mixing, mastering, and effects processing.1 These algorithms can introduce slight variations in sound quality.
• Default Settings: Each DAW has its own default settings for things like gain staging, EQ, and compression. These settings can affect the overall sound of a project.
• Built-in Plugins: DAWs often come with a suite of built-in plugins. These plugins can vary in quality and sound character, which can impact the final sound of a project.
• User Interface and Workflow: The way a DAW is designed can influence the way a user interacts with it, which can indirectly affect the sound of a project. For example, a DAW with a more intuitive workflow may lead to more efficient mixing and mastering, resulting in a better-sounding final product.

It's important to note that these differences are often subtle and may not be noticeable to the average listener. However, experienced audio engineers can often hear the nuances between different DAWs.

Ultimately, the sound of a project is determined by a variety of factors, including the quality of the source material, the skill of the engineer, and the choice of plugins and effects. The DAW itself is just one piece of the puzzle;

Then I asked chatGPT:

Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs) themselves do not inherently sound the same, as they are merely software platforms for recording, editing, and producing audio. The sound quality and characteristics of the final output depend more on several factors:

1. Plugins and Effects: Different DAWs come with various built-in plugins and effects that can significantly influence the sound. The choice of third-party plugins also plays a crucial role.
2. Audio Engine: Each DAW has its own audio engine, which can affect latency, audio quality during playback, and how it handles processing power.
3. User Workflow: Personal workflow preferences can lead to different outcomes even if using the same sounds or samples across different DAWs.
4. Sound Libraries: The libraries or sample packs you choose to use will also impact your production's overall sound.
5. Mixing Techniques: How a user mixes tracks—EQ settings, panning choices, compression techniques—will create a unique result regardless of the DAW used.

In summary, while many DAWs may offer similar functionalities and features for music production, they do not all sound identical because of differences in their tools, user interactions with those tools, and other variables involved in music creation process;

Then i asked copilot:

Ah, the perennial debate among audio producers!

While **Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs)** are designed to accomplish the same fundamental task—recording, editing, and producing audio—they each have unique features and sound characteristics. Here’s a brief overview:

- **Sound Engine Quality**: Some audio engineers believe that different DAWs have slightly different sound engines, which can affect the clarity and depth of the final audio. However, many argue that any perceived differences are minimal and subjective.

- **Stock Plugins and Effects**: The included effects, instruments, and plugins can vary significantly between DAWs. For example, Ableton Live is known for its creative tools and performance-oriented effects, while Logic Pro is praised for its vast library of high-quality instruments and presets.

- **Workflow and Interface**: The user interface and workflow can influence the sound indirectly. A DAW that fits your creative process better may help you produce better-sounding tracks more efficiently. For instance, FL Studio’s step sequencer is loved by electronic music producers, while Pro Tools is preferred in professional studios for its powerful editing capabilities.

- **Sample Rates and Bit Depths**: All major DAWs support high sample rates and bit depths, ensuring high-quality audio recording and playback. The differences here are often negligible.

In the end, the differences in sound largely come down to the user's skill and the quality of the plugins and effects they use, rather than the DAW itself. So, whether you choose Ableton Live, FL Studio, Logic Pro, Pro Tools, or any other DAW, the most important thing is how you use it.

Have you worked with any DAWs before, or are you looking to start? ️

 

If a DAW is coloring the audio without your consent or knowledge, then it is not a good DAW. You should be the one who decides how it should sound. Imagine you want to EQ an sample to reduce its brightness and your DAW is adding extra color to it. Not very desirable. The developers thrives to make the DAW as transparent as they can. There are separate plugins if you want to color the audio, which should be optional and something you can add later. Remember that once a audio is saturated or distorted, you can't go back. It is permanent. Also, digital signal distortion doesn't sound good like that of analog by default. It has to be designed that way.

Moreover, I haven't seen any developer claiming that our DAW sounds better than others. If it was a thing why aren't they promoting it like you?

 

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That's not what you said initially though.

you said:

To which I say poppycock.

As if I record an acoustic guitar into the same interface with the same mic, and split the signal into 2 separate daws with the same bit/sample rate,

(and not getting into the weeds about different fx/pdc/or different workflows/or things like knowing how to properly use things like 'warping' engines' etc, and completely leaving out different built in eq's or instruments...as that is just knowing your tools)

(exception: something like the Harrison daw which by it's nature imbues 'color' to a track etc)

and put that track up, and bounce it... there isn't an engineer, or Bernie Grundman "golden eared" mastering engineer in the world who would discern a difference in said track.

And they null.

Unless you are doing something wrong.

And this has been gone over so many damn times.

 

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different and better don thave the same meaning, they re different, just like the unprocessed sound you get from your system dipending on the what daw you re passing it through.And no developer claimed their daw sounds better because, as I wrote, you can make them sound the same by changing some parameters.Nonetheless each developer has their idea of how their sound engine should process the incominng signal.
You got your answers anyway, and they dint come from me, so feel free to keep on arguing with some AI of your choice