The time required to become a professional in the world of music!

Discussion in 'Education' started by Incontro, Nov 26, 2024.

  1. 9ty

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    What about this guy called Jesus? I heard people saying he was coming back from the dead. Just took him a bit longer then 100 years.
     
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    The ones I've encountered and debate with (on the academical realm but not composers) the facade was that snob pose of their symetrical farts, but deep deep down they know is just presuntous shit they are using to get laid with young impresionable students. That's the reason they seek constant validation from their peers/minions and cover themselves on authotity fallacy chainmail to deflect any criticism on their hollow and meaninless statements. Like this OP:rofl:
     
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    Ow, Foster.... who needs SNL when there's you! :rofl:
     
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    With those "songs" where someone (usually a man) talks a bit and there's a bit of drumming going on, I imagine 5 minutes experience would suffice.
     
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    Valid response, however, he hasn't arrived yet to say anything to the contrary :winker:
     
  6. Mynock

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    I believe that attitudes of extreme arrogance, disdain for popular music (and culture), or contempt for general criticism are so striking that they should be pathologized, especially in opinion-shaping contexts, such as when a professor—someone with a platform—expresses such disparaging judgments.
     
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    Unfortunately, some people in music academy use a facade of sophistication or intellectual authority not only to shield themselves from criticism but also to manipulate social and professional situations to their advantage (such as impressing students). This clearly illustrates the disconnect between what these individuals appear to be (serious and refined intellectuals) and what they might actually be (pretentious manipulators seeking validation and personal gain). It's not a rule, let's be clear, but unfortunately it happens.
     
  8. Auen Fred

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    imo its just 1 of his different concept loop accounts , thats his initial concept loop account .
     
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  10. Auen Fred

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    same as in all other divisions ,academic ,economic,society or whatever .Outcome of decline of old standart morals ,greed for materialism and attention , lack of seeking sense and ballance .
    actually the downfall of modern humanistic society thru so much influence of so much wanted variables .
    but what you want expect when even just comon sense and important comon knowledge which also includes knowing what people influences in other social classes and what not is rocket science to modern people.
    my english is to shitty for that and even in native not a able to put it all in short .
    ...and i kno this sort of behavoiur was and will be always there but today it has became a new standart and thats so fearing .
     
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    this song is still such a banger, so smooth. miss those careful crafted music videos.
     
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  12. Auen Fred

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    the majority , the ones who make the leading decicions
     
  13. Somnambulist

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    There is some truth in this. Unfortunately as humans, many tend to place people in a square box or tar everyone in a field and even an entire race with the same brush. Not all qualified musicians are sanctimonious and pompous. Not all are manipulators either fortunately. Music is a gift to be shared not an exclusivity, and sadly too many feel they have a right to it above others. Those who have an autocratic attitude with music do damage to those who do not.
     
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    Once again, I see here a generalized and deterministic statement about learning and education. 1) Learning is, by definition, a continuous process where new contexts, perspectives, and discoveries constantly arise, requiring ongoing adaptation; 2) Educational tools and materials can and should be improved, but they will never be perfect, precisely because they must reflect the diverse needs of different techniques, students, and contexts; and 3) The notion that "learning must end somewhere" contradicts the human spirit of curiosity and innovation, which lies at the heart of our personal, social, and cultural development.

    What seems to emerge from this critique is a huge amount of frustration with certain aspects of historically dominant educational systems (and probably common musical preferences). However, your persistent disdain for widely accepted musical preferences is, in many ways, counterproductive. The music commonly enjoyed by the majority of people carries historical and emotional appeal that cannot be dismissed, even in discussions that emphasize experimentalism. Recognizing this connection is not about surrendering to the system but about creating a space where different musical approaches can coexist and enrich one another.

    Instead of merely criticizing common musical preferences, perhaps it would be more productive to demonstrate how the music that inspires you so deeply (which, to this day, no one here on the forum seems to know for sure what it actually is) could build a bridge of connection with the general audience. Showcasing this potential would not only enrich the discussion but also help expand the reach and appreciation of what you value, fostering a more constructive dialogue between different musical perspectives.
     
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  17. Auen Fred

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    2 weeks , standart Foster loopback ...
    or should i say Brent :lmao:
     
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  18. Incontro

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    Learning is usually divided into different parts. Part of learning is related to knowing the tools and part is related to learning the concepts used in the work. Learning these does not mean becoming a professional in music production. Becoming a professional is summed up in idea generation and quick conversion of ideas to the final result. No matter how much you try different tools and know different concepts, it will not help you to be a professional. You will become a professional when you can imagine different results in your mind without fear and with full confidence and have thousands of different ideas for each part of the process.

    If you are still in the stage where you do things randomly and you don't have a complete picture and understanding of different situations and you only rely on trial and error, know that you are far from becoming a professional. Consider a professional soccer player standing behind the ball to take a free kick. This player has different scenarios in his head before hitting the ball and makes conscious choices for each situation. But an amateur player does not think about hitting the ball like this. He doesn't know how to hit the ball, he can't aim at the target, he doesn't know the speed of hitting and he only relies on luck.

    Professionalization is a time-consuming process and requires very detailed and complete training. Becoming a professional in today's music world rarely happens because most of the conditions for becoming a professional are not available for most people. That is why many people do not become professionals.

    But one thing is very clear. If the conditions for becoming a professional are ready and specific and targeted efforts are made, it is very likely that a certain time can be determined for people to become professionals.
     
  19. Auen Fred

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    since when profisionalism has something to do with beeing a luminary in arts ?.....besides martial arts and real value generating arts like proper handwerk and such....

    and all terms are blurred these days and everyone actually need to drop an essay of their definition first , unless its talkin past each other like always these days....

    but who im talkin to....such an poor idiot i am...
     
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    the danger it seems to me, is with all the AI's crawling the web to glean information is sooner or later they are gonna clone Foster and we'll be seeing AI Foster all over the world, every day, forever...
     
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