Don't believe I stated that AMD cannot work with Thunderbolt. Just pointed out that UAD & Microsoft have a difficult history with Thunderbolt under the Windows platform.

A reddit article/post from 2 years ago goes into detail of what was done to overcome UADs shortcomings.

• The Definitive Guide to Building a WORKING Universal Audio/UAD AMD/Ryzen AM5/Thunderbolt 4-Capable Windows 10 PC - Pops/Crackling SOLVED!

 

I think you missunderstood what i said, sorry. I was talking in general in this discussion, not that you personally said it. Some said AMD wasnt compatible with UAD thunderbolt devices when they actually are.

 

ASRock motherboards for AM5 are much better. Implementation of Thunderbolt is different among motherboards, some dont have "real support" which is a real issue (I think Asus had done it as an "addon" which wasnt working 100%).

 

Last edited: Nov 26, 2024 at 9:17 PM

The better solution, in that case, would be to use a separate computer for games. Maybe a Mac Mini M4 for music production and a PC with a bit cheaper CPU for gaming?

 

Stop the press hahaha.
Asus Crosshair Hero X670E works just fine with TB3/4 and UAD cards, it has dual USB4/TB4 ports built in (the second one can double as Display Port out too). I personally built a comp on this mobo more than once and first time was with two Apollo 8ch. I have posted pics of the studio it was installed on another thread, can't remember which tbh.
The mobo is high end and although not new, the price will be steep at around 500 euros. Oh and USB4 is TB4 compatible. Which in return is compatible with TB3.
This is how the backplate looks like, the ports on the left are USB4/TB4 40gbps ( and labeled as such so you can't miss them) Cheers
PS: For obvious reasons (Intel property) Thunderbolt is not labeled as such on the USB4 ports. This doesn't mean it is not compatible 100%.

 

X870E-AORUS-PRO does have thunderbolt implemented in the USB4 port, but it is not officially supported by Intel. I would say it is safer to go Intel when it comes to thunderbolt. Those new Intel Ultra CPU's have thunderbolt natively implemented on CPU. So my advice is to by something like this:
Intel Core Ultra 7 265K
Gigabyte Z890 AERO D
If you can get hold on fast CUDIMM DDR5 memory

Be sure to update to latest bios, chipset and Windows 11. Intel has promised to fix issues early december on those new CPU's so they gonna be much better optimized for example gaming. Also those new chips from Intel is excellent allrounders not only good for gaming. And they are much cooler than gen 13 and 14 CPU's.

 

Last edited: Nov 26, 2024 at 8:50 PM

No problem!

It all comes down to correct drivers, BIOS settings, cabling & motherboard. Also, overclocking improperly & to the max like your competing for a benchmark record wreaks havoc on system stability. Especially with the most recent AMD & Intel CPUs. Puget Systems has somewhat older info how to configure Thunderbolt security settings for macOS & Windows to get around driver & hardware recognition issues.

Thunderbolt is just another example of the lack of a standard pro level solution for Windows. I would personally like to see Microsoft create a true 64 bit professional version of Windows. This while ceasing to create false CPU & hardware compatibility. Microsoft quietly brought back Firewire support to Windows 11. I am sure that Microsoft can fix ASIO & Thunderbolt issues within the OS & holding third party partners to a detailed standard.

 

I got an Intel ASUS piece of shit that never worked properly. That didn't have proper Thunderbolt support and I remember similar issues with update stuff being hit and miss.

ASRock seem really decent in my experience but I've heard them dissed quite a bit. They were pretty good with support with me and my UAD I think. I can't remember the issue but everything has worked solid for a few years now, but its an old board, like 370 or something.

 

This is much safer now with the new Intel Ultra CPU's where thunderbolt is natively direct on the CPU. Also Thunderbolt has come a long way on pc since arriving on around 2015 on very few motherboards. Thunderbolt has become an established standard both on pc and mac. Of course some brands still writes shitty drivers for Windows in general. Not only ASIO thunderbolt drivers.

 

It is not. TB on Intel desktop cpus runs from the chipset (takes 4 pci-e lanes) and so does on AMD Ryzen. On AMD Threadripper though it runs straight from the cpu!

Well to my experience and having built quite a lot Thunderbolt systems over the years, more than half the times it is a user's error that TB isn't working when it should. Obviously Windows is not MacOS, for TB to work and depending what's provided in driver setup by the mobo vendor, you may need the correct Intel driver installed. Luckily for Win users, the past 1-2 years since USB4 started appearing on motherboards, compatibility has become a non issue and any mobo that features USB4 ports should work out of the box with UAD or any other TB interface like Antelope, Motu, RME, Presonus, etc. I hope this resolves any hesitation for AMD or even Intel systems.
PS: Generally older systems that rely on add-on TB cards like Asus' older boards or Gigabyte etc., half the times would have problems, like working just fine then rebooting and not working etc.
USB4 solves all this as it is hardwired on mobos backplates electrically capable of supporting any TB peripheral.
Edit: And everybody should understand that Thunderbolt is just PCI-E over USB C. An additional driver makes connectivity and compatible devices handshake/recognition possible at the expense of a software layer header latency versus a straight pci-e connection. That is all there is to it. I don't understand why the big fuss hehehe.

 

Last edited: Nov 26, 2024 at 9:09 PM

What are you drunk or something?

 

I think you are right and i was wrong. Np. But not sure really and not drunk hahaha. It is not clear if it goes straight from the cpu though as it speaks about the "platform" which also contains the chipset there. In every older Intel system up to 14th gen TB goes through the chipset. And even in Core Ultra series Intel is still using DMI :
Expansion Options
Direct Media Interface (DMI) Revision
4
Max # of DMI Lanes
8
Intel® Thunderbolt™ 4
Yes

Oh and i read some redditers about how USB4 is NOT compatible with TB4. It can be true in some very rare occasions, due to the chip used on particular mobos for USB4, still, anything i built in with USB4 did work with TB3 interfaces.

 

Last edited: Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 PM