Processor 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700KF
Installed RAM 64.0 GB
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
OS Windows 11
Fl Studio : All Plugins Edition *legit* build 4430


Certain plugins that I load into the mixer, when I delete them with the delete function in the menu, they crash the entire DAW. This also happens with a select few of generator plugins as well. I've tried this with all my plugins, and I've tried with a blank project. A blank project still results the same outcome. I have some plugins from the sister site, and I also own a majority now. I have a subscription for one, and some of those plugins crash as well. The plugins that crash after deleiton immediately are the following:

Bettermaker EQ232D : plugin alliance *legit*
autochroma : imagiro *legit*
prisma : unplugred *free*
backmask : freakshow industries *legit*
imagiro piano : imagiro *legit*
dirt : native instruments *cracked*
chowtapemodel : chowdsp *free*
morph eq : minimal audio *legit* but was *cracked for a period of time*
multiband x6 : devious machines *cracked*
emergence : daniel gergely *legit addon edition*
pancz : oversampled *cracked*
digitalis : aberrant dsp *cracked*

The plugin companies I have downloaded are the following:
Waves V11 *sister-site*
Zypnatiq *sister-site*
Wavesfactory, only 2. *legit*
Xfer records *sister-site*
voxengo *sister-site*
valhalla DSP *sister-site*
u-he *sister-site*
toneboosters *sister-site*
SSL *sister-site*
sound-toys *sister-site*
plugin-alliance *legit*
melda-production *sister-site*
fabfilter *sister-site*
goodhertz *sister-site*
D-16 *sister-site*
arturia *sister-site*
analog obsession *free*
antares *sister-site*
minimal audio *legit*

As you can see, these plugins crashed or installed that I've listed don't provide a discernable pattern. I've tried re-installing fl studio, and uninstalling these plugins and re-installing them, but it never changed anything. I've run into a corrupted system before, but this current setup has been running smoothly since the beginning of 2024 otherwise. i don't have any one-drive as I disabled the function with the tron-script. I don't catch any viruses or any issues other-wise. sometimes there is a graphic overload with too many plugins, but this delete-bug stays. there is no-system corruption from command scans, and I use revo-uninstaller pro when dealing with registry and software cleans.
I am not sure what it is anymore. I also don't experience any bugs other-wise with my plugins. everything has been installed correctly and used in many of my projects.
if anyone has experienced this before, and knows what I can do, or understands what could be happening during the process that it crashes, that would be great.
also, looking at the crash logs, they don't create any new ones when this occurs, so it is an immediate crash.
There was one only one created today after my testing: (I believe it was dirt by native instruments that created it)
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] Application starting
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] version 1.8.1.4430
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] FL path is "_:\Program Files\Image-Line\FL Studio 2024\"
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] Plugin database path is "_:\Image-Line\FL Studio\Presets\Plugin database\"
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] LoadExistingPresets
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] LoadExistingPresetsToList
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] Finished (LoadExistingPresetsToList) - count=4420
[14/11/2024 16:31:58] Finished (LoadExistingPresets) - count=4420
[14/11/2024 16:41:00] Application stopped

 

Last edited: Nov 14, 2024 at 11:04 PM

Hello @arthez, please list some details, which operating system and which version of FL Studio are you using. What CPU, RAM and USB audio interface do you have? Please take a few pictures a. of the crash b. of the settings: MIDI, audio and general.

In Fl Studio there is a button under "Help" called Diagnostics, please run it and post it here.

The graphics card driver often causes problems. Which graphics card do you have installed? Which ASIO driver do you have?

Please install this program and let it run, a few screenshots would be useful.
LatencyMon: suitability checker for real-time audio and other tasks -->www.resplendence.com/latencymon

 

Hello @Radio

apologies, the crash is immediate, so I believe it won't help with screenshots, but I recorded 3 instances.
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 2nd Gen : Audio interface.
RX 6700 XT discrete graphics card
FL Studio 2024 eidition, producer edition 24.1.2 [build 4430] - All plugins edition. Windows 64bit


Processor 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700KF
Installed RAM 64.0 GB
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
OS Windows 11

This zip will contain screenshots from latency mon test in all sections, a html version of latencymon stats section that I had formatted just now, and the diagnostics report from Image-Line.

 

Last edited: Nov 15, 2024 at 12:29 AM

@Radio My bad, here are the screenshots of fl's midi, audio and general settings as well.

 

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Hello @arthez, thanks for all the information you provide. The problem is not with the plugins, they are all fine, but with the computer settings in your PC. Please work through the links below:

LatencyMon - Error Reporting
Conclusion. Your System appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. you are likely to experience underrun appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One problem may be related to power management, disables CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.

1. Focusrite - Optimising your PC for Audio on Windows 11
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207355205-Optimising-Windows-for-Audio

2. BIOS (mainboard)
- Check if there is an update for your BIOS.
- If you have changed something in the BIOS, undo it by resetting the factory settings.

3. Disable ‘C-states’ in the BIOS
To save energy when the CPU is idle, the CPU can be commanded to enter a low-power mode. Different processors have varying arrays of power modes collectively called ‘C-states’ or ‘C-modes’. Different processors support different numbers of C-states — some don't support C-states at all.

We've found that having C-states enabled can cause adverse performance on some systems. If you're having audio performance issues, we recommend preventing your processor from entering power-saving C-states.

To do this, you will typically need to boot into the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) of your computer. Please contact the manufacturer of your motherboard if you're not comfortable doing this. Focusrite Technical Support cannot help you tweak BIOS settings as the BIOS layout and the available options are differ greatly from one machine to another.

4. Optimizing FL Studio performance
www.image-line.com/fl-studio-learning/fl-studio-online-manual/html/app_opt.htm

 

I run into "graphics overloaded" message more than anything on my pc, but they are big projects. latency wasn't really shown in my crashes though? (I updated my bios and disabled c-states.) (I've adjusted settings for focusrite)

 

Last edited: Nov 15, 2024 at 2:56 AM

This should go to https://support.image-line.com/action/ticketing/add-issue?category=windows-technical-support.

 

Test again with " LatencyMon " and post the result here!
In the attachment you will find a picture of my PC and how it should look.

Regarding crashes, you need to provide more specific information to get useful information. What is crashing (program/Windows)? How exactly does the crash manifest itself (e.g. program closes with error message, blue screen, PC simply turns off)? What do the error message/minidump/event log say?

It could also be that your power supply or graphics card is defective. How old is your power supply and graphics card?

Test your graphics card for errors – here's how
https://www-heise-de.translate.goog...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Maybe update the graphics card driver, remove dust from the case and the graphics card fans, do you have enough fans for cooling?

Check for overheating
If the temperature of the internal component of the computer is too high, the GPU crash will also appear. You can set your computer in a cooler place and disable all background applications. If your PC is with dust or restrictions for airflow, your GPU fans will simultaneously encounter cool air to dissipate the huge heat of the memory and the core of the GPU.

 

Last edited: Nov 15, 2024 at 12:27 PM

I've done that before, and they never got back to me.

 

Usually they reply within a day but they miss it sometimes, you should remind them again. Also, put it on the forum too.

 

im using one of the latest m3 macs and I have that same problem with some plugins. very annoying

 

I would suggest installing REAPER. Now that you have a list of plugins which are problematic in your FL Studio; you could see what plugins which you have on that list also crash Reaper, and compare them.

Maybe you will find more randomness; but you will see what plugins you are running that FL does not like, but which run fine in another DAW.
You would find that out just by letting it scan and validate all your plugins.

 

Generally as a rule of thumb. I would uninstall all of the VSt which are causing me problems. Then I would run the DAW again once they're all gone to prove it is the VST causing the issue.

Then I would instal one of the problem VSTs again and run the DAW after each install. As soon as it hits one that causes a problem, I would delete it and move on to the next one. Eventually I would be left with just those which are working. Finally, I would make a note of all the VST I couldn't install.. Wait for an updated version and then try again with that and see if the errors are rectified.

What @clone suggested is a good idea too. Probably better than my own, as that will at leas give you a way of using all the plugins, even if it isn't a perfect solution.

 

i always blame RAM. remove and reinsert. replace.

thats me. paRAMnoIC.