Oh wow nice, very informative. Did you live those years? I was born in 1983. I live in a small town and we did not have big budgets for music programs etc. The first computers I saw were apples and macintosh around 1st or 2nd grade, so that would have been around 1989 or so. I've since done a little research since I posted the thread, and I'm a little familiar with the techcology around the era. I remember having an Atari video game system when I was 5 years old, that's around the same time the first Nintendo was relesed as well which I got for Christmas that year.

 

Yea, a lot of professinals use Logic and have for many years. DJ Encore produced his entire albums using Logic 4 back in those days. I think Van Buren used it as well

 

interesting, can I hear some of your work?

 

Wow Acustica really does that?

 

Wow did you even having saving capabilities? I remeber with early gaming systems you had to play through or pause the game for hours in order to proceed where you currently were. Man I can't even begin to tell you how many times I lost a website design, some bad ass graphic I was working on or a music project I spent HOURS on was wiped all due to the "illegal operaton error" crap and closing your appliation.. or getting blue screened

 

StudioOne here.

Reason: Good workflow - as an old Cubase user easy to switch to, very intuitive to work with, all major/basic features within reach, good build inn plugins ect.

My 50 cents

 

Hah, I never imagined I would see another person quoting eJay, I also started with that, although I am not sure if it can be considered a DAW, but was a good starting point for a real DAW.

I am now using Cubase and Reason.

BTW I am seeing some people have moved from Cubase to Studio One, I wonder what made them do that....

 

Editing the whole song in just the channel rack really speeds up workflow in fl studio then split the individual tracks on the playlist that sped my workflow up significantly in FL studio I like that it’s pretty fast

 

QUESTION
Why is 32-bit called as x86 and not as x32 in operating system architectures?
Why is 32-bit called x86 system and not x32? As an example, Windows uses x86 in System Drive instead of using 32bit. Is there a hidden fact behind that.I'm fascinated to get the answer from the community.

ANSWER
Because it has nothing to do with that.
They are called x86 because it was based on the 8086 microprocessor made by Intel. This became x86 because a lot of their processors end with 86.
Over 10 years later, when the 64-bit extension to x86 instruction set was released, and Microsoft started porting later NT-derived windows to it, some official technical name had to be selected for the version compiled for this architecture. The specification of the 64-bit extension to x86 came originally from AMD, so some called it “amd64” whereas “intel64” had meant Itanium.

But Microsoft did not want to include name of one company to the name they chose for the architecture, and also the name “x86–64” which is later used had not stabilized yet as the common name for the architecture, and also the dash character on “X86–64” name might problematic for some places where the architecture name appears and had to be parsed by some code. So they chose the name “x64”, as 64-bit version of x86.

Even later, support for the Itanium architecture was dropped and support for 32- and 64-bit ARM architectures were added to Windows. The 64-bit ARMv8 is typically called either A64 or Aarch64, Im not sure which one is the official technical name for it in Windows.
So now, Windows has support for four architectures: 386 (“x86”), x86–64 (“x64), 32-bit ARMv7 , and 64-bit ARMv8.
So, “x64” currently only means one of these two 64-bit architectures currently supported by Windows.

 

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I remember Rebirth very well.

Quote: "Propellerhead Software's ReBirth RB-338 pioneered a new era of music instrumentation that merged the principles of "virtual reality" with historic synthesizers and drum machines. This concept seemed impossible at the time, but has since become a common trend in music software."

MNX2010 - ReBirth RB338 - 23 Years Now !
Since 2001 - Last Update 12 October 2024 https://audiovst.mnx2010.nl/rebirthreason.htm

The beauty of the Rebirth RB-338 Synthesizers' software simulation.

 

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i think you cant compare modern renoise with old trackers ....
seems fast and effective when you know how to operate it....and has a great gui and stuff .

i remember the pirate using almost all DAWs and renoise too .
he knowing just all the strongsides and weak points of every DAW.
having a small clue about it would be cool .
i know for a part why users went from cubase to reaper , but as mentioned above why did users move from cubase to s1 ?
just unesessary knowledge for me but whatever .

 

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This graphical interface just makes me nervous. There's flickering everywhere. It's not for me.

Aphex Twin Mt Saint Michel In Renoise

Aphex Twin - Xtal (Remade in Renoise)

Perhaps Steinberg has become too expensive, every update costs money. You don't really change DAWs. You could also ask what makes Studio One better than Cubase?

 

Thank you, most welcome

Yes i did live those years hehe. 1984 found me after years of studying and playing music and fresh out of senior high school. Electronic production had already got my interest and in 1986 i got the Atari ST1040 which had 1mb of ram. Ataris did last for quite sometime, in '92 they released the Falcon which had hard disk recording capabilities and could take both IDE internally and external SCSI hdds. And when it all was over for Atari in 1995, C-Lab got the rights to the Falcon design and threw three models in the market of their own design, one after the other, kinda like a Falcon on steroids which could be expanded in many ways.
Now for the history and because Wikipedia's story about this is a mess, C-Lab at the time is not to be mistaken as E-magic Logic's creator. What was C-Lab in the late 80's, spawned two companies in 1992. Emagic, who kept all software IPS (to my knowledge) and C-Lab which kept all hardware IPS and hardware RnD. So, 1995's C-Lab Falcon was -sort of- optimized for Cubase and had its own version. C-Lab made a bet back then, indicating that their system is much better than Adat stacks because it was tapeless and non-destructive and also better than ProTools because it had Cubase as a front end which could do MIDI very well and basic multitrack audio rec and edit/mix. But the system felt clunky at best, i know so because i tried it, it was occasionally buggy and could hardly compete with PT, as Digidesign had their DSP accelerators on big studios, providing a more solid solution for strictly audio rec/edit/mix as Pt had no midi capabilities apart from sync if i recall correctly.
But a few years later VST was introduced by Steinberg and the pc started gaining momentum in music studios. I never touched an Atari again for many years.
Cheers

 

Boris Brejcha, Artbat, Zedd, Vini Vici, Eelke Kleijn, Tinlicker, Protoculture, Astrix....

Logic was always popular among EDM guys, any sub genre, even on those silly internet polls, it's always among Top 3 since I remember, half of the most popular EDM act's are using it. What started gaining popularity last decade for EDM is Live for sure.

Sure, there are some sub genres that gravitate more towards one or other, dunno, Cubase is probably one of most preferred DAW's for psy trance as it was last two decades and etc.

 

Oh I go pretty far back with the nostalgia. My first computer was a Texas Instruments TI99/4a... I believe those had a whole wopping 16kb of memory (which could be doubled or something with an expansion).

I remember buying computer magazines that had game code in them.. I would type in that code (which would take friggen forever), then if I was lucky enough to remember, save it to a tape drive. Saving to tape took quite a while. I remember spending a couple hours typing one in at my grandmother's, then hit record and went to bed. I got up to find out she turned it off before it finished saving! Tragically, she died that morni.. just kidding But seriously, I was so choked at her haha.

Anyways, I miss the simpler times and could reminisce for days about old games, music making and such. It's hard to believe now that people my age played some great games back in the days that had absolutely no graphics (Infocom, anyone?). Nowadays the AAA games seem more about presentation than actual gameplay sometimes. Anyways, enough spinning my boring yarn.

 

Longer than I want to believe I have

The Atari 1040ST had built in midi, so it was a game changer back in the day especially with the software we had Steinberg Pro 24 and Emagic just to name a couple but as limited and naff looking as they are today they were wonderful tools at the time.

The struggle was real only being able to record MIDI notes, but that's what we had to get done, what we got done, we didnt know any different but dreamed things would get better over time and they certainly did.

Imagine not having any VST plug-ins cause that was the reality us old timers had to deal with until things changed, but back then those tools were cutting edge to us.

Sound cards were a pain having to set up IRQs so they didn't clash with other peripherals, but that was a PC thing a bit later on, not an Atari thing.

The tools we have today are game changers, those who never went through the early years will never understand the struggle, BUT it was equally fantastic at the same time.

For me as much as I loved my Atar ST when the Amiga 500 and 1200 came out I was totally blown away, anyone who enjoyed MOD tracking would know how fantastic this time was, and we had sampling tools that came out even though it was literally seconds worth of sampling time at extremely low BIT rates but it was totally awesome. I still have my boxed Stereo Master.

 

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MAc. --tried them all. Logic #1 for it's straight forward functionality and reliability. It just seems more logically laid out (aside from a glaring lack of plugin search feature) . Ableton Live #2, functionality and ease of use and reliability. Luna #3, just because I have a UAD Apollo audio device. meh on Studio One, Bitwig and Cubase in comparison to the above.

 

I'd forgotten about this now.. but damn, that was definitely a pain in the ass back in the day. Thankfully we don't have to deal with those problems anymore.

Also, as a PC owner for pretty much my whole life, I was always so jealous of my friend that owned an Amiga (same with Ataris, really). In the early days, I could barely make beep boops out of my PC speaker while Amiga used mod trackers already, even in games. You could get some great sounds out of a PC too... if you had money for one of the super expensive Roland MPUs ,etc.. I eventually got cheaper Ad-lib and Creative Labs (sound blaster) sound cards, and the Gravis Ultrasound. Some developers found a way of playing samples out of the PC speaker too, which was a real treat when you're used to just boop noises LOL.

I wonder what Future Crew are up to these days

 

When I went from my very basic Ad-lib card to the creative labs AWE-32 it was like night and day and then I added the Yamaha SW1000XG which had fab GM sounds on it but that was when the whole IRQ issues kicked in having multiple cards as well as the good old parallel printer port and com ports which all needed their own unique settings, but, we all got through it and made it work.

I remember my first sound module was the Roland U-220 I loved that thing and my first hardware sampler was a Cheetah SX16 I think I had about 6 seconds in mono to sample with but again it was a game changer for its time.

it’s crazy to think that in the next 30 years people will look back at today and will be saying the same things about how we did what we do with all the fab stuff we have now that will then be ancient.

I just hope in the distant future AI doesn’t stop people actually making music for themselves, that would be a real shame.

FutureCrew wow that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time I’m sure I still have journey and metropolis somewhere. Psi and Sidder are legends.

 

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It's nice to know that you're not alone with IRQ conflicts. My first PC, which I bought on credit, had a "Terratec - Audiosystem EWS64 XXL" card built in. After unpacking it, I started the PC and opened the software. It looked great in terms of design but no sound came out. Back then there were hardly any people you could ask. There was a small music scene, which wasn't bad once it was up and running.

I then called support and we did a few things together but we couldn't get the sound card to be bought. Completely annoyed, I exchanged the card for cash. I bought an amaha - MT 50 multi-tracker cassette recorder and everything worked - it was still cassettes back then. Hardware was really very expensive back in 1998. There was no USB and no LED. And blue screens in Windows 95 were rare but they did exist.

The design back then was gray. Windows XP was more advanced, but with 7 the world was really much more stable and beautiful. Back then there were still dot matrix printers, they were loud and the writing wasn't that great.

Every generation is different, when I was little there were the first washing machines, what a relief, the clunky black and white TV had 3 channels and at night there was only noise. Who wants to go back to the old days? Before cars there were carriages. I think we are very different musicians and so we will all use different things in the music industry. I'm going to try out AI and either delete it or keep it.

Panta Rhei = Nothing stays as it is and everything moves, is in the process of becoming.