I installed Kontakt 8 with all new librares. Everything works. After that I installed Komplete Kontrol 3.3.3-Bobdule.

Now I want to use the S88 MK3 keyboard. I just bought one, haven't received it yet.

Will this work straight out of the box if I just connect the keyboard? Or do I need to take extra steps?

I have also installed all Arturia + U-he plugins. They don't appear in the main browser window when Komplete Kontrol is opened. I did click 'install .nks files' during installation of all plugins.

A few years ago I installed Maschine + all libraries and then I could just connect Maschine and everything worked. Native Access wasn't there at that moment. I hope this Native Access shizzle isn't preventing me from using Komplete Kontrol in combination with the S88 MK3 keyboard. I will know in a few days. Any tups are welcome..

 

If you installed the plugins correctly, you should see them in the browser's factory content (globe icon). (Not in the user content -man icon.).
Check in Preferences>plugins if your plugin folder is the correct one. That's for VST2; for VST3 it's always the default folder in Program files>common files.

As for the keyboard, if you installed the correct driver that comes with Komplete Kontrol, you don't need to do anything else.

 

Im not too sure about that. I was/am thinking of getting and Kontrol S61 mk3 but the more I read, the more it scares me for now.
As I have lots of the sister site stuff (including the latest Kontakt 8 & Komplete Kontrol 3.3.3), Loads of kontakt libraries and lots of other great stuff (some I bought) soft synths, etc, etc and lots of effects and lots of kontakt libraries (again some I bought). So I have loads of stuff installed and all works great together, e.g. Kontakt, Artura, Output Arcade, etc, inside Komplete Kontrol - nice VST instruments & VST Effects in nice setups to play/jam with and record (at present Im using Arturia Keylab 61 MK2 as the midi keyboard controller).
As I have many, many things from the sister site, I Do NOT Go Online with this music PC (but this is getting harder. and harder to do with more companies trying to get you online more and more). I have an internet laptop and transfer installers from that to the Music Pc to install on there.
Now I come to my point (and if Im wrong, I would be very happy to be told Im Wrong - from a Kontrol S MK3 User, using stuff from the sister site Before buying and installing the Kontrol S MK3 Controller - we really need to hear from you). As from what I have read and seen on YouTube, the drivers that run the New MK3 Kontrol S Keyboard NEEDS NATIVE ACCESS TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET IN ORDER TO EVEN GET IT TO WORK AS A MIDI CONTROLLER (not even for using with Komplete Kontrol, Kontakt, etc. What I read and saw on YouTube (and I hope I'm wrong or hope they have changed it (and then I will happily buy an Kontrol S)) was that SWITCHING ON THE KEYBOARD - YOU ARE MET WITH YOUR KONTROL S KEYBOARD SERIAL NUMBER AND TOLD TO CONNECT TO A LAPTOP & CONNECT TO THE NI WEBSITE USING NATIVE ACCESS AND INPUT YOUR SERIAL AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN WILL THE KEYBOARD EVEN WORK. You cant even get off the SERIAL NUMBER SCREEN ON THE KEYBOARD, to even use it as a simple Midi Controller WITHOUT PUTTING YOUR SERIAL INTO NATIVE ACCESS AND GOING TO THE NATIVE INSTRUMENTS WEBSITE (So you cant add your serial using another computer and download offline installers for the drivers/firmware.
Please someone tell me this is wrong or has been changed/updated by N.I.. As there is no way Im going to buy a keyboard that will not work unless I use Native Access to go to Native Instruments Website and download drivers and firmware on the Laptop full of the Sister Sites Goodies (some from Native Instruments, but also some from many, many companies). As there is a very good chance that some, maybe Many, will stop working after spending time on the Native Instruments Website and fulfilling their whim of not having Offline installers for drivers and firmware to make an expensive keyboard that you buy off them ACTUALLY WORK.
Please someone tell me this isn't the case anymore with these MK3 Kontroller S's and I will re-consider buying one, as I would really like one but I would like it to work and also work with Komplete Kontrol (and other things) from the sister site too

 

What the heck... holy shit. This is like very major fuckery. I really hope there's an official way to avoid that.
I mean, even for NI today's standards that is way too much. Like, deal-breaker shit for many people to buy those keyboards.

 

Actually, that was indeed the case at launch the Mk3 keyboards! However, they did a firmware update late 2023 (November or December) and have made it possible to function as a standalone MIDI CC keyboard by default when it's not connected to a computer via USB. Also, when it is connected to a computer via USB, you can use the SHIFT+MIDI buttons to switch to MIDI mode. Thank goodness smh. Completely ridiculous that the keyboards lacked that functionality at launch. NI have tried to keep that fact covered up and didn't even include release notes for the firmware update!

 

Because it is not correct.

 

Ok Please Explain - Im assuming you have bought a Kontrol S** MK3?
What Ive Read & Seen on YouTube - You take the keyboard out of the box, plug it into your pc and switch it on. You are then met with a screen on your new keyboard that has your serial and NI web address telling you to install native access go to the NI Website and put your serial into Native Access. Pushing any button on your new NI keyboard doesnt get you off that screen. So you look to be stuck on that screen until you go to the NI Website and put your serial in using Native access and its varifide.
If you are a Kontrol S** MK3 user please tell us how you get off that screen on your keyboard to start using it?
Im not against N I, I have bought lots of their stuff, including controllers for Maschine and Traktor, Im just against having to use Native Access to make your Keyboard work.
even from NI site it says -
1 start native access
2 log in
3 enter your kontrol serial

Your hardware appears in Native Access
My understanding - That is the only way to get off the keyboards serial number screen and start using the Kontrol Keyboard, especially if you want to use Komplete Kontrol.

 

That has been my experience before. Exactly like that. I will give it another try when my keyboard will be coming in today. But does someone know how to get past that first screen telling me to connect to Native Access?

 

You do not need to install Legit Komplete Kontrol at all. Also, you seem to not understand what a class compliant device is, which the S-Series keyboard controllers are. Posting that a class compliant kb controller is not going to work to do even basic midi, without NI's legit Komplete Kontrol software installed is incorrect. After you receive the controller, get a copy of the newest Komplete Kontrol from sister site. The next issue is what order you are installing things in. Does the machine have Kontakt on it, working properly and with Native Access already installed?

These are all details you will need to figure out, when you install the Komplete Kontrol, Kontakt, and Native Access versions you need to use.

 

Hello Clone, it seems you know what you are talking about. I installed Kontakt 5 for adding libraries together with Kontakt 7. Since 2 weeks I added Kontakt 8. Yesterday I installed Komplete Kontrol 3.3.3bobdulde. Everything works as it should. Hopefully tonight I will receive the S88. I will report back when I receive it.

 

Sorry Clone, Im not arguing with you, but you dont seem to be addressing the issue or explaining what to do.
Do you own a Kontrol S** Keyboard.
(This info has been on many posts and Youtube) When you open the box and plug it in/switch it on the window on the keyboard gives you your serial. My question to you is - How do we get it the work from there? - because, as has been reported and I stated earlier. That screen (reportedly will not change whatever button is pressed - UNTIL You Install Native Access and register your serial in Native Access at the Native Instruments website and then and only then, does your pc register that you can use your keyboard on that PC / Laptop. I have seen videos of people pushing Every Button on the Keyboard and that Serial Screen will not change and the keyboard is not available to use on your PC until you have authorised it on Native Instruments Website and had your serial register on that pc in native access for use. Its been reported and videos made on this subject (admittedly months ago, so things might have changed, if so I'd like someone to say so and explain).
Its no good for you to just say -
'You seem to not understand what a class compliant device is, which the S-Series keyboard controllers are. Posting that a class compliant kb controller is not going to work to do even basic midi,you seem to not understand what a class compliant device is, which the S-Series keyboard controllers are. Posting that a class compliant kb controller is not going to work to do even basic midi'
Its a little offensive and confrontional and doesnt in any way answer any questions asked
Im not going to go out and buy a N I Kontrol S MK3 Keyboard (which I actually want to do), just because you say You 'class compliant devices' and it should work in your mind.
The questions asked (which wernt answered by you).
1 Do you own a Kontrol S MK3?
2 When you switch it on and it displays the Serial Number and tells you to go to their website and input your serial using Native Access inorder to start using the keyboard. How do you get off that screen and start using the keyboard WITHOUT using Native Access & Going to there website to authorise the keyboard?
Your not talking to someone who is new to this, Ive had keyboards, too many to mention for 20+ Years including the Komplete Kontrol S MK1, and many Arturia Keyboards, plus Maschine, Traktor controllers so I know how to get a keyboard to work with a PC, so I think its you @clone that doesnt understand the question, its nothing to do with class compliant devices its to do with a keyboard that appears to need to be registered online, on the NI website (and lets call it Challenge/Response) and your serial is authorised on your Kontrol Keyboard AND Your PC BEFORE it will work, Full Stop. The Keyboard Screen (reportedly) stays on Serial Number Mode until you remove it using Native Access & N I Website. So you cant use it for Anything even as a Midi Keyboard. If you are a Kontrol S MK3 user and that isnt the case then explain to us how you get out of that Serial Screen without going to Native Instruments Website using Native Access???
I am wanting to buy a Kontrol S61 MK3 but Im not going to spend over $1000 on a keyboard (that other have reported is restricted in this way) just because someone says - class compliant devices work. We need a bit more answers than that (assuming you own a Kontrol S++ MK3, because it wasnt like that on a MK2 or the MK1 that I already have), so please give us more info, if you have any???

 

So you are demanding I answer questions from you about a product you do not even own? Talk to the manufacturer or their distributor.

When you buy a product, you pay for tech support; because they have to put up with you. I don't. The other poster in the thread will get his device and will get it working.

Find someone else's time to waste. ignored.

 

I've nothing essential to contribute here. I'm thinking what a disappointment it would be for us who are using cracked software, to buy an expensive MK3 keyboard just to find that it is completely unusable. I've been using MK2 for many years and I don't even know what Native Access looks like! Everything NI worked fine without it. I had problems with the notorious previews, I spent a lot of time finding workarounds, but that's another story.
If what you all say is true, it seems that Native Instruments, by locking MK3 to the software, has completely defeated all the warez scene.

 

Hello Clone, well, I had a MK3 (few weeks ago) before and just like Dave Music said, it would not work whatsoever. I thought, I would give it another try with this Komplete Kontrol 3.3.3bobdule update. If you know what to do, please tell me.

I don't know anything about Native Access, but I suspect it won't work with stuff founded on Audioz right?

I don't think the S88 MK3 will come today. Probably tomorrow.

If it won't work I will send the S88 MK3 back. Would be a shame for N.I. They miss out on my 1000 euro.

 

People have commented that NI said there is an issue within Komplete Kontrol v3.3.0, and told them to roll back to v3.2.1 which was still working. User advised to uninstall cleanly, as such: uninstall (with Revo if you have it), and get rid of the Komplete Kontrol folder in AppData/Local/Native Instruments, and if there's one in the Program Data folder...and reinstall.

That problem exists in legit version, so it will be present in any sister site version also.

You may notice above, that big message with all capslock going. It contains incorrect information and I said it was incorrect. Nowhere do I see where I offered to help someone like that at all.

 

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Im not demanding any answers, especially from you, its not my thread, I am repeating the questions that were asked HOW TO GET IT TO WORK.
You started by being offensive and saying - and I quote - you seem to not understand what a class compliant device.
When that is NOT anything to do with the issue at all.
In simple terms - its reported many, many times, that the Kontrol is Locked from factory and can only be Unlocked for use (either as a midi controller or to use with Komplete Kontrol) by using Native Access on the Native Instruments website.
I now see You obviously dont own a Kontrol Keyboard S MK3, so dont have any info or anything worthy to add to the discussion. I dont spend my time arguing with people online. I am here to get info and answers and sharing what info I have. Im wanting to buy a MK3 so this is why Im having this discussion. Im not here to argue, as I have much better things to do. On the other hand Im not sure why someone like yourself would waste time discussing when they have nothing to contribute. Im sorry if Im wrong and you too are wanting to buy a Kontrol S MK3 too. If so, then (and Im not demanding answers) Please go ahead and buy a Kontrol S++ MK3, test it, get it to work (i.e unlock it from the serial screen) without using Native Access and going to Native Instruments website, get it to work as a midi controller and work with things from the sister site and PLEASE, PLEASE (and Im not demanding answers, Im asking Please) Please let us know how you did it Please

Comments like your -
Talk to the manufacturer or their distributor.
When you buy a product, you pay for tech support
These comments are of no use, as you very well know, we are talking about software from the sister site, and I dont think NI Tech Support will help with that.

and your last comment - Find someone else's time to waste. ignored.
I agree with your comment and I second that too, but I would go one further and say - you can Ignore this thread if you have no info or help or advice to offer or you are interested in many, many peoples experiences

As I said before, Im not on here to be Right, Im looking for the opposite, Im looking for an intelligent person to explain to me that Im wrong and then I will go out and buy my 7th Native Instruments Hardware. As I said Im not a Native Instrument hater, they make some great stuff, I wouldnt have bought loads of hardware and software off them over the years. Im getting involved in this thread (and if you do a search on me here, you will see that I dont spend my time chatting on threads) because I want to know that what many have said over the months isnt true anymore and hope that this control of your music studio called Kontrol Mk3 has now, or will soon be rectifide and re-thought, as until it is, I cant bring myself to purchase one, if I can only use it if it unlocked online (That would be slightly ok if I was starting with a new pc, authorising it, then installing Sister Site software (maybe then that would work). But its no good for what I want it for to control a pc already with several years of programs and presets on, that currently works great but hoped would work even better with a new Kontrol S61 MK3 keyboard alongside my current Arturia Keylab MK2.

 

Another message with no useful info and no Help from you- We are talking about HARDWARE being LOCKED, how is rolling back software of any help in that situation. You say my post 'contains incorrect information and I said it was incorrect'. That information comes from MANY sources. You obviously dont even know what this thread is even about, its about a keyboard try to work with software and you saying -
you seem to not understand what a class compliant device is
and
Talk to the manufacturer or their distributor.
and
uninstall (with Revo if you have it)
and
contains incorrect information and I said it was incorrect
I now realise that you know nothing about what you are talking about and have nothing to add here and seem to be someone who comments on every thread going when they know nothing about the subject.
Therefore, you can comment and abuse me as much as you want, I wont be replying, as I for one have better things to do with my time than commenting on every thread all day and night.
One last thing I will say to you @clone - You are saying my well documented info is incorrect (when you actually DONT KNOW yourself) so if 1 person or more buy this product because of your unsubstanciated info that it WILL WORK (eventhough many people have said it WONT) and they waste money and time (even if they send it back because it wont work, they will probably have to pay postage). Would you not be ashamed about giving them the wrong information and wasting their time and money.
I personally am not saying DONT BUY, Im saying BEWARE and be prepared that it MIGHT NOT WORK. My conscience is clear. I'm here to give the information that I have gathered and will be happy if someone (someone intelligent with useful information) explains to me that Im wrong and then I will take the plunge and buy the Kontrol S++ MK3 happy.

 

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I have to disagree here. I guess you mean it can still work as a regular MIDI controller.

But with the facts explained here and other people's posts:

It's still major fuckery to me. I mean, by default the Keyboard is in "NI is busting my ballz" mode when you have it connected via USB. Even if no other NI soft is installed. And you have to know a shortcut to switch to it.
And that's only after the update that NI tried to keep as hidden as possible.
Pretty disturbing stuff.

 

This is interesting. I was considering buying the S88 MK3 as a main kb controller. Will probably pass now. MKII’s (88) are readily available, and the integration with Maschine e.g. was there - it’s been completely removed from MK3’s and it will never return.

 

Now I also see the problematic topic and I am also in the exact position that the S61 MK3 will arrive in 2 days....
So my situation is similar to GeertUutGrunn's.
I am also very curious about the answer.
As it is discussed in many places, it is possible to bypass NativeAccess and install the illegal KK software...
The most common problem for me is connecting the broken Kontakt 7-8 and the legit KK software, as I am Kontakt-centric.
I'm supposed to get a legit Kontakt 7 or 8 with the S61..
I still want to use my actual libraries as well as my non-legal Kontakt libraries.
My question:
Should I install the original KK and Native Access (possibly also Kontakt 7)?
Should this KK version be installed next?
Will my old libraries work with KK?
Sorry for the stupid questions, but I don't know about it yet.
Thanks!

 

Last edited: Oct 15, 2024