I'm not putting down the JP80x0 as a synth 'cause the one time I had time with one it was fun.

But the supersaw sound is better fun when deconstructed and reconstructed in my own way. 7 off-phase detuned wavetable oscs with morph between some broken saws can create some truly morbid sounds.

If someone wants "the supersaw" then yeah, a JP or a good clone is the ticket and I guess nothing else will do.

But we're going way off topic, apologies to OP.

 

How do you all like the digital osc in Diva tho? Serious question home dawgs.

 

The smooth, buttery transients.

 

Sorry, but don't you hear, that all these "clones" have hard, digital, harsh transients?

 

Horrible unison transients. I only tried it once, and wash shocked, that so many like it.
Same with Spire. You need to hide it in reverb, or otherwise the thin, hard transients poke the ears.

 

The JP sounds way better in these examples, but I am not sure, if the release times on the virus aren't set slightly too short and therefore make it more pokey.
I like the Virus a lot and I am not sure, it necessarily sounds that much worse than the JP8k.

 

Dune 3, too.
In addition I find Dune 3 transient behaviour sounding way better than Spire.

 

everything about diva is great

 

Aren't transients more related to the envelope?

 

isnt nexus vst got some epic leads.. especially the factory chord and detuned saws? i always like nexus its like i use it over a decade now
they should just release instead of expansions a JP8080 expansion with pure hardware inspired bank

 

Air Hype and Fabric also have some nice sounding (well tuned!) Supersaws

 

there's a limit to how much envelopes can affect things. it won't actually control how much transient there is, or what the transient sounds like, just how much of it you hear (at least if we're talking about the standard vca envelope)

 

What in the fluff is this? Unless you're playing samples with transients of their own, how in the afterlife are you controlling the transient if not with the amp env?!

For transient shaping with a normal subtractive signal flow (e.g. oscs -> filter -> amp) the main thing affecting the transient is the amp env and the filter env*, both normally standard ADSR-type. Though sometimes you get hold stage which can work kind of like a transient shaper. The only remaining thing is - very slightly - the oscillator phase.

Funnily enough, the freerunning phase of the oscillators is one of the minor things that make things sound analog.

*) High resonance on the filter with different attack/decay can add a distinct "whoop" to the sound, but this usually slackens the initial hit. For reference: any 303 emulation with high accent and zero resistance is the punch, adding resonance gives the distinct "wow" sound.

 

It was used with certain songs of certain era, that's all

 

to me classic supersaw term its the epitome of awful contryside disco mainroom trance
like this and this yet a moderate one with less voices and unison less reverb and what do i kno.also this patch is not as bad seeing it in melodical context here ,i dont even want to look for that shit but this example is for sure a 1995-2005 supersaw trance lead
around 0:18

for others it may be this

but for a decade tranceheads were refering to the first example when it comes to the term supersaw

 

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I understand the transient as the attack of a sound, or what do you mean with transient, if ypu play the supersaw with A0 D0 S127 R0 and hold it, the attack is the transient but the sustaining sound has no transients at all.

 

OT, but I'm reading your nickname sometimes as written and occasionally as "PA ska perse", and I can't decide yet which is funnier. The latter would make a great name for a shitty soundsystem.

 

Ahh, play a massively supersaw'd track through a Pioneer DJM600 flanger (and the filter if you're adventurous)... now we're talking The Trance Sound!

 

It's really good - but you miss the other parts of the puzzle like the filter or the tone control. Envelopes aren't really similar either.

 

Just a nice and detailed reminder of possible DSP563xx emulations I compiled from the web and some DSP56300 posts:

In "Research" stage: Nord Lead 3, Waldorf Q
No status yet: Novation Nova, Novation SuperNova, Clavia Nord Modular, Clavia Micro Modular, Korg MS2000, Korg MicroKorg
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The synths below share the 563xx chipset:

TC Electronics PowerCore - 4x Freescale DSP 56367
Waldorf MW2/XT - 1x Motorola 56303
Waldorf microQ - 1x Motorola 56362
Waldorf Q - 3x Motorola 56303 (2x synth engine, 1x fx unit)
Clavia Micro Modular - 1x Motorola 56303
Clavia Nord Modular - 4x Motorola 56303
Clavia Nord Lead 2X - 2x Motorola 56362@120Mhz
Clavia Nord Lead 3 - 6x Motorola 56362
Novation SuperNova - 8x Motorola 56303
Novation Nova - 5x Motorola 56362 (synth engine), and 1 Motorola 56303 (fx unit)
Access Virus A - 1x Motorola 56303
Access Virus B - 1st rev “S” uses 1x Motorola 56303, 2nd rev “T” a 1x Motorola 56311
Access Virus C - 1x Motorola 56362
Access Virus TI Snow - 1x Freescale DSP 56367
Access Virus TI - 2x Freescale DSP 56367
Access Virus TI2 - 2x Freescale DSP 56367. Later models used 2x 56321
Korg MS2000 - 1x Motorola 56362
Korg Microkorg - 1x Motorola 56362
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Access Virus more details:

1997 Virus A - 1 x Motorola DSP 56303, 1x SAB 80C535-N
1999 Virus B - 1 x Motorola DSP 56311, 1x SAB 80C535-N
2002 Virus C - 1 x Freescale DSP 56362, 1x SAF 80C515-L24N
2005 Virus TI - 2 x Freescale DSP 56367 - 2x150 MHz, 1x ST UPSD3212CV
2009 Virus TI2 - 2 x Freescale DSP 56321 - 2x275 MHz

Since every chip emu consumes about twice as much as Diva, I find synths with 1-2, maybe up to 4 DSP chips most interesting, because what's the use if 1 synth consumes your whole CPU, or even half of it? There are also differences in CPU usage between different 563xx chips, with 56303 being the lightest, and 56367, 56362 being the toughest on the CPU. I feel most excited about Nord Modular, Waldorf Q, and the 2 Korgs, but Viruses and Waldorfs, now also Nord Lead, are the most interesting of the bunch. They got their priorities right. Cheers!

 

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