he always changes the plot
he never ever answers to questions because he just doesnt know anything about music
he doesnt know what is music creation, what it means deeply, what means dedicate life to music and studying

consequently he doesnt know how to learn (and study) it

his motto is "in Youtube Tutorials We Trust*"

*possibly 10 mins max

 

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I know you dont wanna talk about that because you are not capable of anything in music

If you were capable of reading a string quartet at first sight on piano you'd know that
"i am looking for a secret tutorial to write a symphony" is

1 disrespectful for people that dedicated life to music and study
2 BS

 

It's the incel wanting the supermodel and knowing he can never have it, so he lashes out at everything but the real problem, himself. I know, I was that guy. The solution is to learn to understand what you CAN get, what you CAN achieve, that is desirable to you. Lose the blinders and look around.

 

Salieri actually was a good composer, sadly his works are not really popular nowadays. Yeah, Amadeus movie made him look bad, but he really knew his craft and Mozart never really though that he's inferior.

 

So don't put salieri on the same step with Foster pls xD

 

Oh I agree, he was fine! It was just the comparison standing next to genius that made him appear mediocre. But my point is that, while good, he didn't have that ineffable spark that puts him in the pantheon of the greats. I still maintain that a truly dedicated person without innate talent could probably learn to be as good as Salieri through study, but never Mozart.

 

Oh yeah I agree! It's just like all this surf or beat bands in the 60s. There were many who had catchy or even great songs. But the Beatles or the Beach Boys had just much better and more hit songs. In the 18-19 century it was just the same xD

 

Worth noting that Paul McCartney tried his hand at orchestral composition, with the help of several notable musicians in that field. The results garnered mixed reviews, some established composers criticised his works for being enjoyable but unsophisticated. McCartney, a master of melody and composition, ventured into unknown territory and like most/all of us here lacked the expertise that Foster is looking for with his naive questions. McCartney failed to make an impression because he didn't have the experience that only years of working in orchestral music can give you. That's the real answer to Foster's opaque questions: only talent and experience lead to greatness and you need both.

 

100% of music is correct information and good education and only 0% is individual abilities. When you see that great music is not being made like in the past, you know that music education has a serious problem. Educational videos are full of wrong information and there is no proper educational system that provides the correct information to the educators.

 

These 2 because they refer to individual capabilities, as I said in my previous post, their effect is definitely zero. In music, we don't have anything called talent, experience, individual abilities, inspiration, etc., and these things were invented by people who don't believe in the effect of proper education.

 

you talk about "music made in the past" but you never listened to Mozart or Mahler or even Beethoven
you talk about "modern music" but you dont know who is Berio or Nono or even Sciarrino

you just talk about everything but you dont know anything

consequently what you write is

 

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Ok, ULX, think and answer carefully:

If what you say is true, a) how does a student surpass their teacher, and b) if a student never surpasses their teacher how has music ever progressed?

 

Composers learned their knowledge from their teachers and developed it.

 

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Developed their own way how? You deny the importance of talent. Is it accidental, like a genetic mutation? Explain the process of "developing something your own way" without being taught to do it. How can someone not be able to develop without being taught and yet somehow develop without being taught? You are arguing a paradox.

 

You confused me with God. Go to church and ask him these questions.

 

Everyone needs their Foster experience.
I think some people just like hearing themselves talk, we should stop getting bothered by them.

 

I have nothing special to add. It seems that many people have a great problem with learning and are not interested in it at all. In any case, this thread was a chance for you to overcome this problem and seriously engage in proper learning. However, no matter what you do, you will not find the right material to learn.

The end.

 

I don't need anymore any tutorial. I just bought one of these advertised $$$$$ quantic device and for another $$$ monthly subscription, they update the device with symphonies directly to my head. Amazing! Stay tuned, you will soon hear of me!

 

1. It seems, you messed Franz Joseph Haydn and Johann Michael Haydn, his brother. Two different composers. Franz Joseph Haydn, the creator of modern symphony, hardly could be a follower of Mozart as Mozart was born 25 years later than Franz Joseph Haydn.

Johann Michael Haydn was born 5 years later than Franz Joseph and was 20 year older than Mozart. And he was was a minor, less significant figure in music history than Franz Joseph Haydn.

2. May be I didn't express my thought well and you missed my point... Nobody could teach Haydn that the symphony is a four-part musical form as before Haydn the symphony wasn't a four-part musical form. Haydn (and other composers of that time) created it and "legitimated" it, made it a common place.

 

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