* AnandTech
* digitaltrends
* ExtremeTech
* Hardware Zone
* Phoronix <-- Linux
* StorageReview
* TechPowerUp
* TechSpot
* The Verge
* TomsHardware
* wccftech

Video
* Level1 Tech
* Level1 Linux <-- Linux
* Moore's Law
* PC World

Anybody buying?

 

Last edited: Aug 15, 2024

Most meh Ryzen generation for consumers yet - what were they thinking?

 

Yes & no...

For normal compute these are actually very welcome. For gaming it is hit & miss. These work extremely well under Linux. Windows seems to be holding back performance. We're in early days with expected improvements to the micro-code (BIOS) and, possibly from Microsoft.

• Some key Zen 5 offerings are (but not limited to:
• Better DDR5 memory support (192GB 2 channel & 4 channel as standard now. Still best to use 2 DIMM kits)
• Lower wattage for comparative workloads vs Zen 4 & current Intel 14th Gen
• Improved ECC memory support
• Full AVX-512
• RAID 5 added
• more PCIe lanes for 870 chipset

For someone building a new system or upgrading from Zen 1 thru 3, these make sense to come current. Otherwise wait for Zen 6 where we should see the normal gen-over-gen performance bump.

 

A few more for your list:

• Level1 Tech
• Level1 Linux
• PC World

 

Cheers for the links!

Looks interesting for general purpose number crunching, but perhaps not for audio yet.

I'd be interested in the memory timing optimized DDR5 RAM, the only thing I've seen is this blurb: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-ultra-low-latency-ram-for-intel-and-amd-cpus

Now, how it affects various workloads is unknown to me, but I'm guessing we'll see soon. Not that I'm upgrading at the moment personally, but this shit is coming out, so I'm trying to keep aware.

 

Yeah, DDR5-6400 is the sweet spot though. Zen 5 imposes a non 1:1 ratio for MCLK and FCLK if used with anything faster.

 

I just finish building my new pc @ Ryzen 7 5700G (Zen 3).
700$ budget PC and I'm pretty happy not gonna do any cutting edge 3d , no gaming , no mining. No drugs just fuck... I mean just music.

 

Yep, I agree. Right now the stock configurations are a huge disappointment vs previous Ryzen 7000. New architecture, better "prime material" (4nm vs 3nm) and the implementation of AVX512.

Only with the last two one would expect a real 15-20% average improvement, not barely better. BTW, I still don't know what AMD considers "geomean" because... it's been redefined by themselves! Fuck you again AMD marketing staff.

The big question is how much you can overclock since the only huge improvement is the power usage. Even experienced testers/overclockers are confused about what's really safe, stable and so on.

I wouldn't buy right now. Perhaps the mobo upgrades will be even more important than the chips themselves, BIOS or the whole MB. Obviously if you have the money and can't wait go ahead and enjoy.

 

Last edited: Aug 15, 2024

The recommended retail price always drops after a few months, and the Linux data looks promising, so hopefully the Windows performance can be improved. Personally, I will be waiting for some DAW performance reviews, as that is all I would use it for.

 

Last edited: Aug 15, 2024

You qouted @Xupito.

You are right that we could see a price drop. Most likely Xmas or first quarter of 2025.

 

Last edited: Aug 17, 2024

The new official DDR5 spec from AMD is 5600MTS 2 DIMMs per channel (6000MTS stable tested but not approved as officially supported). Still 3600MTS 2 DIMMs per chanel x 2. AMD & Intel could solve the issue of Data throughput & bandwidth by offering 4 channel memory controllers on client/consumer CPUs (at least mid to top tier).

With the right motherboard, memory & BIOS settings, one can achieve a boost in performance now using under-volting & PBO as an example.

 

Yes, the same things. I got that information from the reviews that I posted, and specifically all those conditions will have to be met before I buy a Zen 5 CPU, i.e. lower price, Linux like improvements for Windows, and improved DAW performance. That means I am not going to be an early adopter

 

Last edited: Aug 15, 2024

There's a huge bug in Windows or the drivers that makes the latest Ryzens perform badly in Windows 10 and 11!

Some things can be done to make it better already, but there should be drivers to fix this - or even microcode updates for the CPU. We'll just have to wait and see what Microsoft and AMD does about it.
They should have waited with the launch.....

New Ryzens are performing extremely well under Linux, something is really wrong in Windows right now.

Won't buy a new CPU until it's 30-50% faster in DAW usage than my current one.. and my 3950x is still well above what I need.

 

i got Ryzen 5 3600 and its beast!! i can imagine why i need to upgrade, but i know the newer models are cool for real.
with my r5 3600 i have to make a Composing session, export audios to a new session to mix, then another session for master. this way can handle a lot!

 

seems more like a minor refresh rather than full series, frankly at given prices those new cpus aren't worth it over previous 7900/7950 models...

anyway, lack of PCIe lanes = no deal for me

 

It's a huge refresh compared to my current CPU

 

I guess it will be fine soon as #$#%^ MS stop their bullcrap and patch their OS correctly. I'd like to try one of these with Win10 and see what gives. As it is, on Win11 cpus are functional but they are crippled slightly by Windows bad coding.

In performance i 'd agree. Architecturally it's a big step forward. Less heat, less power consumption mean we 're back to normalizing cpu power draw to 10 years ago quad core i7s only we 're talking 16 core beasts now. Also, for people who do various projects in the studio and not always huge ones, myself included, ECO mode - already avail from the previous gen- can be a serious convenience, letting you do serious work with minimum power draw leading from good to almost great savings.

I already have installed 2x32GB DDR5 6400 with very tight timings on 7950X and works absolutely fine. Mobo was high end though, Asus Crosshair X670E Hero.
Cheers

 

I doubt that

 

As noted, not officially recommended by AMD. Just test as stable at 6000MTS. Motherboard, BIOS, CPU & knowledge pf how to do required tweaks gets you the remaining performance available. I would also wait new board & BIOS revisions.

 

Less heat also translates to less noise, a definite plus. I'm all for more sensible power draw.