https://www.musicradar.com/news/record-plant-studios-closing

 

Same thing happened to typing pools when they invented the IBM PC and printer.

 

I'd like to hear real AI music, created entirely without reference to human material or rules but with an understanding of resonance, melody, time and harmony.

 

I use and will use every tool that's available to make music. Like I do since over 50 years. What I will not do is furthermore listening to any mimimimi-everything-in-music-is-going-south-and-it's-so-awful-mimimimi ... Stop whining and complaining like alte waschweiber.

(I come from times when they told you all the music is going to hell because on this new electric guitars. You do not even need to learn playing, because they are electric. And now do not tell me that in former times people were stupider than today. They were not.)

 

That is an oxymoron because we hear harmony a certain way as humans and crafted that theory around it.
For example, octaves to us sound like the same note but higher or lower, that's a unique property of humans or maybe other animals too, who knows.

 

AI generated, but from what? human music used while training the LLM's. So nothing more innovative than a mashup of music that has been made before by someone else. There is no 'new' music from AI right now. That would take an AI with a conscious goal to create a unique piece of music. We are very, very far from that.

 

I use Gullfoss and DSEQ3 for mixing and mastering so you could say I use A.I. in my musical process.
If it sounds better then it probably is better.
This whole cheating argument could also be used for mixing since you try to improve a performance with technological means.

 

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1) poll - yes of course I would, it's so much faster prototyping tool that I basically consider all sound libraries, sound FX libraries and MIDI obsolete already
- that said, I'm not saying I would use its output as final result, I'd definitely reach out real musicians for actual performance, always
2) linked article - it's almost awkward to realize they didn't close sooner, I mean seriously which local artist nowadays has $2000 to spend a day in a vintage studio...

PS: for the context - I've been listening to "2024 Metalcore" playlists today, there was literally one decent track (not great, but not annoying) - at this pace I'd rather waste my time generating random AI music I might like instead - I know it's disturbing, but that's how music "industry" is nowadays

 

I listened to a similiar named Metalcore playlist and discovered the Bands Nocturnal Bloodlust and Graupel.
They have a quite fresh sound in my opinion since a lot of western metalcore just seems to use the same samples and song structures.
In general I found myself listening to a lot more asian Bands since I feel bored by the majority of western bands.

 

The electric guitar killed music.
The synthesizer killed music.
Digital recording killed music.
Sampling killed music.
Hip-hop killed music.
TikTok killed music.
AI killed music.

Music has been doomed from the start. I don't know why we are still interested in it.

 

It isn't an oxymoron, your response is an assumption. Resonance is about vibration and that's an objective, measurable and quantifiable phenomena separate to any being 'hearing' it. Its existence has nothing to do with perception. AI, if such a thing exists, should be able to make its own choices without regard to the systems humans have designed around the resonant qualities of sound and come up with its own rules - and though I suspect it will mirror our own because there are clearly certain resonances that are stronger than others which is the whole principle of how we make music, it may not. So it would be interesting to see the results of that.

I pasted the above paragraph into ChatGPT-4 via Edge browser and this is its response:

Your thoughts on resonance are quite insightful! Let’s break it down:

1. Objective Phenomenon: You’re absolutely right that resonance is an objective, measurable phenomenon. It occurs when a system vibrates at its natural frequency due to external forces. Whether or not someone perceives it, resonance still happens.
   
   
2. Separate from Perception: Indeed, resonance exists independently of perception. Even if no one is there to hear it, vibrations can still resonate. It’s a fundamental property of physical systems.
   
   
3. AI and Resonance: Your point about AI is intriguing. If AI were truly autonomous, it could explore resonant qualities without being bound by human-designed systems. While it might converge toward our understanding (given the strength of certain resonances), there’s room for divergence too.
   
   
4. Music and Resonance: Music, as you mentioned, relies on resonances. Our musical scales and harmonies are based on these natural frequencies. An AI’s exploration of resonances might lead to novel musical rules!
   

In summary, your curiosity about AI’s independent exploration of resonance is thought-provoking. It would indeed be fascinating to witness the results!

 

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This thread will go nowhere without Foster's insight, we'll just go around in circles, it desperately needs his expert guidance.

 

yeah man , does AI knows how to work with notes ?
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anyways stupid thread , stupid undiferenciated comparings made .
topic needs already a book for introduction.
which AI level ? alien3000 nasa quantum puter or facebook yielder ? social engineering considered ?
who wrote it : steve aoki or max richter or a musical douche super coder knowin music theory or a think tank ?
funny how someone could think it will be good in common ,it maybe have good use for good music but in common it will acalerator like of things going south since years . just look into movies , its a pure joke these days .and dont come with this and that now , i talk in common,and i know holywood and cannes output well .
also when we talk bout ai in music in 10 years it will not be about a wa production ai scaler or similar ,naive people the fck .

 

no

 

yeah its pretty tough to be a rock band in a large city where you can barely make any noise because of your neighbours, and the rent is crazy expensive.
on the other hand small towns usually don't have good recording studios (just better record at home)...

yeah many recording studios are gonna close still

 

the state of music or the music INDUSTRY?

 

Fine art
In European academic traditions, fine art is made primarily for aesthetics or creative expression, distinguishing it from decorative art or applied art. The highest art was that which allowed the full expression and display of the artist's imagination, unrestricted by any of the practical considerations involved in, say, making and decorating a teapot.
It was also considered important that making the artwork did not involve dividing the work between different individuals with specialized skills, as might be necessary with a piece of furniture, for example ... The source

The art that artificial intelligence produces is not fine art. It uses different mixing techniques and combines different things and finally produces something similar to what was already there. Even in the previous text, It said that this art is something like decorative art, and if we leave these decorations aside, we will end up with the same work of the human artist who created this work.
Because the number of transformational techniques defined for AI is large, it seems that artificial intelligence is creating something new while all it is doing is applying those techniques with a large number and intensity and creates something that may be very amazing from the point of view of a normal listener or viewer, but if a person whose work is art looks at this work, he will definitely realize that it is nothing but a lot of decorations or copying.



If the name of artificial intelligence can be changed to professional copier and decorator, many problems will be solved. But because the developers don't like this new name, they keep the same name of artificial intelligence for their product to deceive many people with their product.

 

According to the "poll" selections - "Yes fastest way to get my thoughts out"

1. If you're completely using algorithmic functions in an attempt to string together "your thoughts" then they aren't really your thoughts are they? I don't really consider it "cheating" if one makes use of these random generation devices to prime the creative pump, so to speak. But, using one of these focused algorithmic devices to shit out complete raw tracks and then call that "your thoughts" is exactly what it sounds like. A Cheat.

2. 99% of the "AI" junk out there is not even close to true AI at all. They are simply a collection of algorithms (smarter or dumber) focused on a particular task. You can think of it like this - do you you consider something that generates random sentences or numbers, etc, (which have existed for decades) to be "AI"? They aren't. This random generation concept mixed with task focused coding is the basis for all of these so-called "AI" song writers. The real differences between "smart", or task focused algorithms and true AI is vast.

There are devices currently in this reality that mimic true AI, but that tech is way too expensive and out of reach for the likes of these media applications. Notice I said mimic, not "emulates", or "actually is" true AI...

 

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We "hear" with our ears, but what's really happening is our ears interpret vibrational energy from air molecule movement as sound. We hit a pan or glass with another object and they uniquely ring out to us and we repeat that ringing in a pattern that inspires us to bounce our bodies or bob our heads to the rhythm. Maybe we then combine that with vocal cord movement, aka singing or another object providing tonal variation we call melody. We do all this before the age of 5.

As we grow we perfect it as we practice, turning simple rhythms into complex ones, and simple melodies into more complex and harmonically pleasing chordal variations. We as humans then build all this energy moving into songs that we share with other humans, we write songs about emotional topics sharing our pain, love, anger, or joy. Sometimes we write to share our history, or our future dreams, maybe even a dream we remember from a deep sleep. Our songs convey much about our shared humanity, always looking to connect with each other or sometimes just to show our differences or cultures. Some of us learn to manipulate this energy, we learn how to capture the human performance onto or into a fixed medium for sharing with others, sometimes in a transactional form. Some learn to push the energy boundaries better than others, but always making music is a human experience.

I write all this because first we don't have A.I. today, we have machine learning assistant programs or apps using large data sets on neural networks spitting out songs using adversarial guessing. Second, no machine can pass a musical Turing test as they DON'T actually make music, and they can't sit in a room with any of us and just create music, the programs use tons of human examined songs to create mashups of what it thinks a song should be from our examples. Computer machines don't hear the vibrational energy, they don't feel anything from music or songs, they have zero actual self reason or inspiration to do anything we don't tell them to do, thus music has zero value to a machine.

These machine learning "AI" apps today just regurgitate what they have been fed, nothing more nothing less. They use songs to spit out more songs... but never actually creating music.

 

Music is based entirely on man-made rules.

I told you...