Let's get this party started! ( EQ scams )

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by ELJUNTADERO2022, Jul 11, 2024.

Tags:
?

¿Do you think this industry its scammy?

  1. Yes

    48 vote(s)
    69.6%
  2. No

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  3. Dont care

    18 vote(s)
    26.1%
  1. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    So, i was watching this guy and, i cant believe it but he has a point... a good one...
    i want to share this to see your opinions about this!

     
    • Like Like x 6
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Interesting Interesting x 2
    • List
  2.  
  3. Lieglein

    Lieglein Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2018
    Messages:
    1,016
    Likes Received:
    577
    Understanding audio fundamentals helps here.
     
  4. Spartan

    Spartan Kapellmeister

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2022
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    55
    YouTube strikes again. Very carefully selected examples there.

    It’s like Dan Worrel’s argument about summing mixers being a scam. It’s easy to believe something is a conspiracy when you don’t fully understand the topic.
     
  5. Putinaros22

    Putinaros22 Ultrasonic

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2024
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    20
    I have almost all virtual EQs but also all for Free ....
    We understood by the time AA cracked
     
  6. mk_96

    mk_96 Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2020
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    771
    Location:
    Your heart
    I do agree with the whole hyperbolic marketing thing, nowadays i just laugh at it.

    But the real reason i don't care is because i just find myself using less and less analogue EQ emulations, which is where a lot of this redundancy comes from. The rest (non-emulations) is just about choosing whatever you can get your hands on and has the features you need, no "award winning analog warmth gamechanger" shit (i think).
     
    • Agree Agree x 10
    • Like Like x 2
    • List
  7. ItsFine

    ItsFine Rock Star

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2023
    Messages:
    584
    Likes Received:
    349
    I solved the problem decades ago : any "digital" EQ + selected saturation after it.
    I'm using a bunch of saturations plugins, because they all sound different.
    Decapitator, AA Nebula/Acqua ... whatever works "color" wise.

    Same with compressors : i try to separate compression and saturation, two different plugins.

    So even the most boring EQ/compressor/whatever is not a problem, as long as it does it's FIRST job.
    Saturation/harmonics is another job.
     
    • Agree Agree x 8
    • Like Like x 5
    • Creative Creative x 1
    • List
  8. anonymouse

    anonymouse Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2017
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    198
    Based, as the youngsters these days would say.
     
  9. dtmd

    dtmd Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    253
    Location:
    UrAnus
    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 20
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Love it! Love it! x 1
    • List
  10. Lad Impala

    Lad Impala Rock Star

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2024
    Messages:
    716
    Likes Received:
    383
    Location:
    In bloom
    Haha i've watched this one already, and he also has a video about compressors being a scam!
    Both are good videos, but i disagree with both of them.

    long story short, to me is about being practical. And i don't find his approach very practical.

    There's also this video from Paul Third reacting to AP Mastering, and there's a discussion between them in the comments;

     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    • List
  11. Xupito

    Xupito Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2012
    Messages:
    7,292
    Likes Received:
    4,028
    Location:
    Europe
    That. I agree. I want the most "digital" (as in transparent, no saturation no more shit) eqs and comps.

    Then again, if you've used or own music hardware you love the sound of it... guess must be difficult not to try to emulate it with plugs.

    PS: Haven't watched this dude's videos :rofl:
    Whenever I see a "snake oil", "scam", or "best", "perfect" in any video is an automatic-no-see
     
  12. Lad Impala

    Lad Impala Rock Star

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2024
    Messages:
    716
    Likes Received:
    383
    Location:
    In bloom
    Oh yeah there's also that.
    He tries to match the curve of the PULTEC but hes only using one band filter.
    Pultec is a parallel EQ and it is different from a regular EQ, but the difference only comes when you use two or more bands which he didn't do in the example.
    That's the whole deal of the TDR Nova (Yeah i got this from Dan Whorral's video)
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  13. clone

    clone Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2021
    Messages:
    7,556
    Likes Received:
    3,325
    It's the same thing with any null test. It doesn't matter if you can make Pro-Q3 sound like the Kirchhoff. You can match them identically, as he shows. But you would never recreate that identical curve, while working on a project; if you were not comparing them. The features, interface, and workflow of the plugin; will cause you to end up with a different result. It won't null, because you did not deliberately set them to do so.
     
    • Agree Agree x 7
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • List
  14. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    I strongly agree here
     
  15. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    very creative my friend, gonna think like this from now
     
  16. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    didnt see that ! thanks!
     
  17. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    That's what I thought, but with certain tests I saw that in most cases it worked, there was some noise left, that is, it's not 100% perfect, but it's pretty good as evidenced by that level of cancellation, right?
     
  18. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    yes here i thought the same, I didn't like that example since it didn't make a good comparison.
     
  19. shinyzen

    shinyzen Rock Star

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2023
    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    480
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 10
    • Like Like x 3
    • Winner Winner x 3
    • List
  20. saccamano

    saccamano Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2023
    Messages:
    1,286
    Likes Received:
    522
    Location:
    CBGB omfug
    Of course it's scammy. Both sides of it - audio and video. The audio/video hardware industry is shammy as well. You have shitload of monkeys trying to sell both audio and video shit to finite audience, many of whom are not that well outfitted $$ wise. Top it all off with the fact that now, any monkey who thinks they can make a .EXE or a working .DLL file is trying to siphon some of that gravy that previously was only reserved for the big corporations to rake in. Which is why the audio and video software market has been flooded for years now with a plethora of mediocre, marginal garbage that only exists to make the authors of said garbage a pathway to the bank.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  21. ELJUNTADERO2022

    ELJUNTADERO2022 Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2022
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    133
    in some parts, agree, its obvious the flooded plugins we have today from recents companys
     
Loading...
Loading...