Working with Chronic pain / Chair Rec's?

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  1. anonymouse

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    The dude has three slipped disks and spinal stenosis, no amount of turmeric is going to fix that.
     
  2. Garamondo Furbish

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    the body is a system.
    like a studio is a combination of many bits of equipment and wiring and computers etc.

    when a noise comes from the speaker, do you replace the speakers?

    a doctor sees a slipped disk or three and says there is the problem, not wtf caused this and can we prevent more problems. The human skeleton is mostly calcium a not terriblely strong material, we walk upright unlike almost every other creature on this earth, which stresses the spine even more.
    then we seek employment causing us to repeatedly stress ourselves often over periods of decades.

    Tumeric certainly won't undue the damage already caused, but it may help alleiviate problems elsewhere in his metabolic systems which may manifest in even more injuries. It certainly won't harm him, and its very inexpensive unlike surgery.

    the possibility for improvement exists with little risk to the contrary, so why be so negative?
    the modern diet is mostly garbage, any and everything we can do to correct that leads to a healthier and longer overall life.

    a bit of tumeric might help you as well....
     
  3. toetea

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    Sorry to hear of your predicament. I am also having some struggles of my own.

    The only practical advice I can provide is to stay in motion as much as possible.
    From my experience, static positions and repetitive motions can bring a lot of damage.
    It is very easy to deal damage or to gain weight, but the effort required to heal (if possible) or lose weight is always multitudes greater. Stay strong and flexible!
    Wishing you the best. :bow:
     
  4. SAiNT

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    there's a great channel that will answer most of your questions on this subject:
    https://www.youtube.com/@OlivierGirard
     
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  5. Legotron

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    TENS is good, especially if you don't want to do drugs, but also getting MRI could find something specific..
    I'm pretty much in same situation but with neck and shoulders.
    I do heavy lifting at my daily job, approximately 5-10 ton a day right now
     
  6. Astika Blastika

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    For your conditiion , I would say daily swimming with good technique is all activity you should handle .Don't even think about calisthenics or jogging ...
    As far as supplements, try hefty doses of joint complex supplements Glucosamine Sulfate,Chondroitine, MSM ,Rose Hip etc.

    Incorporate ginger in your daily diet(for example make some tea out of fresh ginger with honey and lemon)
     
  7. Mr.Mister

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    Forget the doctors, most of them have no common sense and are only thoughlessly applying theories, mostly stemming from lobbies and monetary interests.

    Look what the body and certain parts are made for and compare that to your daily use of it...

    Therefore we need to counter the unnatural behaviour.
    --> Muscle training and stretching!
    How strong are your muscles on the back?

    Do you have an inversion bank?

    If you are already very old or weak, you may be limited to stretching only.
    Most doctors and people avoid pain. But pain is your friend, because it tells you, where you need to strenghten the body.

    I discovered this by accident.
    At the end of my master thesis, where I had not done any workout for months and mostly stayed indoor, I started to have pain in the left knee.
    Usually you would "take care of the knee".

    But luckily, I was always making one legged squats (without weight, because common sense always told me, that was unnatural, while using one leg was the natural way and also enough weight to make the leg stronger), so after the thesis I just by accident wanted to try the squats again.

    And guess what?
    The pain vanished and was gone!

    I couldn't believe it and I tested it, by not making any squats again, until I noticed the pain coming back after a few weeks.
    I made my 3x12 one legged squats and the pain was gone.

    Imagine that: pain in the KNEE. And it goes away, by building up muscles with SQUATS?
    Crazy. Totally counter intuitive. Well, not really:

    The self healing capabilitites of the body are amazing - if you do it WITH nature and common sense, and not against it.

    Currently there seems to be coming a small revolution in this area, because there is a German former car-mechanic, who has incredible success in making old people free of pain again: just with his stretching methods.
    I do not use his method, because I am totally ok with my muscle training and cycling workouts, but my mother has a destroyed hip and managed to become pain free with his methods and has been avoiding an implant for 15 years now.

    Search for Liebscher & Bracht on Youtube.

    Once you follow his method like my mother has been doing for a few years now, you will notice after some time, how absurd and I would call it even criminal, the whole implant business is, if doctors are ignoring these stunning results, invented by a car mechanic, with amazing common sense.

    My mother is also using an inversion bank a few minutes every day, so I also knowm, that this can help a lot, especially when you have acute pain (my mother had tried all kinds of help from chiro to hypnosis and acupuncture - nothing helped - this was a few years before she discovered Liebscher&Bracht). At some point I bought an inversion bank for 100 bucks on Amazon as Christmas gift, because my common sense told me, that stretching what is being pressed together the whole day, could be very beneficial. On that Christmas evening, my mother tried it for a song's duration - and the pain was gone for the whole evening...

    Report back, how it is going!
     
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  8. Auen Fred

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    get on your knees ,hands on ground ,turn mouse hand 180 /200 degrees , do all kind of strech movement arms flexed and arm straight ....
    helped me cure fckt up wrist ....but i hadnt the c tunnel thing but such stuff comes always from disbalance in muscle chains,shortened and locked muscles ....ppl get knowingly/unknowingly scammed into surgery so often and after that its often to late
     
  9. Auen Fred

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    its a start but there much better channels

    when it comes to knees and also hip (which is source of most back problems ,also legs)
    is the KNEES OVER TOES GUY
    https://www.youtube.com/c/thekneesovertoesguy
     
  10. SirGigantor

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    "I eat extremely clean. Zero gluten, zero dairy, no processed foods, 95% organic. I basically eat vegetable soups, chicken, and the occasional steak or something."

    For starters, that not "healthy", because that's a low bio-availability diet, many of the foods you are eating have what you require in them, but with minimum absorbability, I'm sure some of what you're doing is healthy, but some is "healthy", i.e. you're eating stuff that just isn't absorbable all around, i.e. lots of fiber, but that allows you to maintain a low body fat percentage.

    You should probably update your diet with Price findings as well as Gundry:

    https://www.westonaprice.org/#gsc.tab=0
    https://www.westonaprice.org/category/journal/#gsc.tab=0

    https://www.amazon.com/Plant-Paradox-Dangers-Healthy-Disease/dp/006242713X

    Secondly, is the cause an accident or did it just gradually "happen"? in both cases the solution is somewhat the same, but you have to differentiate the types between different types of pain and the solution is probably different in some regards.

    1. You can always sit on a yoga block, that way your legs are below your pelvis, so you stretch your psoas muscles, which is a deep tissue muscle that needs to elongate in order to achieve proper upright posture.

    2. You can get an inversion table and do full inversions throughout the day, that's really the only way to take pressure off the discs.

    For actually fixing it, in terms of seeing a physical therapist, you'd have to see someone who takes posture correction into account, like Structural integration from a Rolfer, Dalton Myoskeletal Alignment, or a Tom Myers Anatomy Trains person.


     
  11. Smeghead

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    I think it's important to physically try out chairs before you buy, everybody's different and chairs are all different. I've eventually just finally found one that I can sit in. :dunno: Bought it at a consignment store cheap!
     
  12. Lois Lane

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    I'm sorry to hear of your disk/stenosis predicament. I too went through years of intense pain starting when I was about 23 after lifting a box. My 3rd to 5th lumbar spine made a loud popping sound and but I was only in mild pain. My band had a gig that night in Hoboken at Maxwell's and my Dad's van broke down after loading in and wouldn't start. I had to stay in the van overnight in 25° F cold with just the paper thin fluorescent orange jumpsuit that I wore for the show, a pillow the only thing in the vehicle to keep me warm. When the sun rose I had a high fever and my back pain was debilitating. I couldn't eat, barely drank any water, and by the end of a week was totally fucked up. My friend suggested that I go to a chiropractor which helped, but the damage meant the injury kept returning as well as the fever each time too which was a potent duo. I'd go to the chiro to find relief for a day only to go through that cycle seemingly endlessly which drained my wallet as well as my life force. It wasn't until about 12 years later that I met a fellow who did seriously deep tissue massage (I literally screamed the first few times he worked on me). It was only when my muscles let go of their strangle hold pattern that I was able to train the muscles which has been unbalanced, atrophied and avoiding the pain to finally start recovering. It's been over 40 years now since I lifted that darn box. Muscle memory is both a blessing and a curse...as a musician playing various instruments I don't have to think when playing, but avoiding the pain for so many years set up patterns that I need be aware of sometimes on a moment to moment basis. Core strengthening is so important if I want to maintain my bodily integrity.

    This worked for me and might for you too. Find someone to go deep and then begin to strengthen your psoas muscles and lower back.

    One thing that is actually amazing to help ease in the buldge is to lie on your stomach and without using your back muscles is a yoga pose called Sphinx. You slowly slowly slowly raise your upper body up and down. It is a pump that puts those buldges back where they belong. It's been a lifesaver for me.

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  13. Mr.Mister

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    There is obviously a common pattern among all these successfully applied practices.
    Practiced over time they reactivate the own body's ability to deal with/heal the local problem.

    Such a contrast to: spare the aching body part, let another person move your aching body (massage), eat painkillers, get a surgery.

    Thanks to the internet hopefully the knowledge will spread more and more. In my village people are leaving the doctor with whole bags full of drugs and I have never ever found one person, who was asked by the doc about the overweight, drinking and eating habits, how many hours of the last meal before going to bed.
    Overweight, with aching joints, walking only on the joints not with body tension and muscles, and these docs send them to get implants for their aching knees, or get some screws in the neck, instead of a handing out a neck training program! Criminals.
    The financial costs for the state must be astronomic.

    I really hope that over time the internet will help, that the knowledge about amazingly effective alternatives for so many problems, will spread far and wide.
     
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    Take breaks to stretch + do exercises and use a Blackroll, that is one of these:

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    The material is perfect for massaging your muscles but it won't hurt your bones in the process, you can roll your back on it and it will uncramp you a bit
     
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  15. Smeghead

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    Why downvote the backroll? I like the backroll.
     
  16. Auen Fred

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    to get a roudbike sattle right is not a small task and when do real km/miles like 5000-15000 a year which is still pretty amateure ,you go for pro nerd bike fitting...and guess what ,ppl will still sit muuuuch longer in a puter chair in 3 weeks than a tour de france rider in this 3 weeks on the bike .
     
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  17. Auen Fred

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    auf deutsch ?....is ja wie bingo to find a physio or chiro who does it .
    da is schon ein unterschied zu 1-2 minuten druckpunkt shizzle like liebscher u bracht .
     
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    If you find the right knowlegdable experienced Thai Massage person (usually a woman) they'll rip through your fascia like a hot knife through warm butter. Spinal manipulation though is discouraged however in the beginning,
     
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  19. Mr.Mister

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    Ofcourse there's a difference. You can do it yourself and check it for yourself. And some tissue you can't massage yourself, either because it's too deep, or on the back...

    The point that should count only, if it works and results in a permanent positive development.

    We should cherish what works and I told you, that L&B works wonders for my mother. And if you read the comments on YT, it works for a lot of people, but you rejected it as inferior.
    This is the same attitude the medical lobbies have. They denounce certain methods, despite verifyable results(!), or if they can't denounce it, they attack the person.
    L&B has 2 million followers on YT. They even made TV spots attacking the person, that he was not a doctor, as if he was a charlatan miracle healer, and as if the people following his free videos, or the paid programs, would not be able to VERIFY if it helps them!
    This man should receive the Nobel price, but instead he is ridiculed and attacked.


    Some common sense: the theory behind all these methods, from deep tissue massage to stretching, is similar:
    Body tissue, muscle fibers, have gone into a bad state, this bad state leads to a bad protective posture, the bad posture increases the problem.

    This is broken up by confronting the tissue, or the bad posture, so the pain is confronted, the tissue becomes activated, tells the body, hey, ""I'm still here, do not forget me", and the body starts to activate his fluids to treat the problem.


    Ridiculing the self-help(!), free of charge methods of L&B, everyone can try, because "it's different"?

    Have you ever pressed 1-2 minutes on a point of pain, that needs this kind of treatment? Obviously not. 10 seconds of pain, so strong that it brings you to tears, feels like an eternity.
    I did this myself, when I had acquired pain in a joint of the ring finger, after carrying a bucket full of water and grabbing it badly. I did not even want to try it, but my mother insisted to try this method. So I did reluctantly and I didn't expect anything. After this minute of pressure, the warmth, that was suddenly being felt in the finger, was absolutely unreal. And the pain was gone.

    "But he's not a doctor."
    FUCK 'EM!
     
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