What is the point of freedom of speech without freedom of action?

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  1. Lois Lane

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    Nietzsche was one of the great comedians of all time. Henny Youngman's tagline was "Take my wife please", Rodney Dangerfield's, 'I don't get no respect", and I just cracked up every time Nietzsche said, "Thus spoke Zarathustra'. He was one really funny guy.
     
  2. The King

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    What's your POV about the topic?
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    What do you think I should change the topic of the thread to?
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    Should I ask the mod to remove it?
     
  3. DoubleTake

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    I think changing the title might be good, so long as you have changed your mind :bow:

    Maybe something about what actions might be wise to take, given that freedom of speech is limited in many ways.
    Perhaps gathering the best-known minds of the age, steeped in enlightenment-era tripe and revolt against the king.
    Ermmm...no offense intended.

    Maybe so, but did he ever say it so succinctly, or did it take several hundred pages of tiresome thrashing?
     
  4. The King

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    I read somewhere that,
    A wise man said:
    Everything would be all right in the end.

    What do you think, let's not talk at all and let everything be as it is or change as it wants and we just be observers and listeners?

    Just one question:
    What if what that wise man said is wrong? What if things won't be all right in the end?
     
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    If my early 20s retarded stoner brain has kept the information, he must've said it in the simplest way possible.

    Either in Thus Spoke Zaro or The Gay Science, cause I remember distinctly where I was when the idea entered my brain, and at that time it could be either one of the books.
     
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    Joke's on you, he never said it in English.
     
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    Es spielt keine Rolle, er war in jeder Sprache ein lustiger Kerl.

    Like Frank Zappa said..."Aber beklecker nicht das sofa sofa!
     
  8. DoubleTake

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    That is the story of my life. I don't trust that things will be "all right" in the end.
    I doubt very much that humans will get off this rock before it is swallowed up by the sun.
    But if they DO get off, then I am just not thinking far enough into the future to be concerned with human's social issues on some other planet.
    That is, if we would still call ourselves "humans".
    I wonder that all our attempts to predict what is good for us may prove to be either in vain or actually harmful.
    I wonder if our overprotective paranoia and evasion of nature's selective pressures will be our downfall.
    Perhaps thousands of years in the future humans will curse us for our lack of foresight.

    I fear that what we may become something we would not wish to call human anymore.
    If we were to become free from emotions, it seems we would become inhuman, and that seems very sad.
    Would we be horrified? What if what we become is more humane?
    Well, one might say that whatever we become..more humane or extinct...that is in accord with nature.
    In the same way one might say that whatever a human does is NATURAL...for a human, whatever happens is natural.

    We have done very well, in my feeling, to overcome and adjust for so many limitations and bad effects of nature (at least what seem bad in the present) and seem to become more compassionate and able to work for a better future, despite what the media presents.
    But what if it is a bad idea to strive to improve? Could that be?
    Well, I think not. I think we are doing pretty good, and guessing as best we can about what might be good or us in the future.
    And if we are wrong, well, perhaps that is natural as well.

    And the serenity verse comes to mind:
    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I. cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
    Lacking religion but not irony, I wondered for years if there was a double meaning there:
    The wisdom to know the difference between the things I can change and that I can not...
    And the wisdom to know the difference when I HAVE changed something ... or TRULY have accepted what I can not change.

    When nature deals us things out of our ability to change and we see the sun ballooning, to not only "know the difference" but to not rage against nature, or to resent the life that was, but that in the end everything really IS OK.
     
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    If it's not a democracy, it is not freedom as a group. You can find freedom jumping in the jungle, but as a group of humans or societys, or countries. As I was saying, democracy is the closest as freedom we were in history. It is not still perfect, as freedom is an ideal, as democracy, love, or kindness. If you can not choose is not freedom. In real democracies your power of talk is limited too, more freedom to speak and act less to more people at the expenses of total freedom for only a few. Silence is freedom too, and no action is freedom too, as Ghandi for example showed in India.

    When you design a social and legal system you have to chooose the line bt liberty and security. That's an eternal debate because some agents in their own illegitimate interest want more freedom, against others rights.

    Your freedom ends where my freedom starts.

    The problem now, everybody blurbs in internet, the dumbest oppions everywhere, complaining about they can not take action. That's political manipulation. Fuck off, and read the constitution.
     
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    "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point, however, is to change it"
    ― Karl Marx
     
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